FFRF Opposes National Day Of Prayer [Have Barf Bags Wide Open and Handy]

Freedom From Religion Foundation ^ | 9/13/01 | Jerkweed

[BMCDA]

Hmm... non sequitur

[fone]

YOU GO GIRL!

I am trying to fix this font but no luck. Drives me nutz</font face=times new roman> people think their comment is so damned important they won't take time to preview their message.

[DallasDeb]

For me, today, it all became personal and 'real' to me. I suppose one could say today is MY day of true grief. I got down on my knees and prayed. I sobbed. I lost it today.

Me, too, Sally. I've been watching and listening every minute of my waking hours to broadcasts ever since the attack. I've gotten a little teary eyed now and then, but began crying hard while listening to hymns being sung at the service and looking at photo stills on this website.

<http://www.dfuse.net/wtc/> I understand, fully, how you feel today.

[dely2]

That only says when it was written, not when it was in effect. Laws like the persisted until the early 1800s (although it is difficult to tell how often the were inforced.)

[DallasDeb]

#81, what is?

[dely2]

How is it your mind is so warped that you could compare our President encouraging prayer, to masturbation or watching gay porn? If you can't get a proper perspective in your life, I would recommend self-commitment to your local insane asylum. They are both private activities that are Constitutionally protected that I do not engage in or feel it is appropriate for the government or representatives of the government to endorse or promote. Not so different after all.

[Texas_Jarhead]

So nice to see tolerance alive and well in corporate America. Gives me the warm fuzzies. /sarcasm

[BMCDA]

I'm sorry if I messed up the fonts. I did a preview as I always do but in my browser (Opera) it looked all normal otherwise I'd corrected that because I don't like that either. So once again I apologize for this.

[glock rocks]

I understand, fully, how you feel today.

at 5:40 est, foxnews showed the changing of the guard in england.
their band played the star spangled banner. i rose and removed
my hat, placed my hand over my heart. my 8 year old daughter
came down the stairs, looked at me, and quietly took my left hand
and stood beside me. um, daddies aren’t supposed to cry, huh?

[BMCDA]

A logical fallacy that means 'it doesn't follow'. Hope this helps.

[Alkhin]

Perhaps what we need to do with people like this is simply tell them that if they cannot be part of the solution, then they will be considered part of the problem...and the problem that we have right now, on this day, and from this day forward, is terrorism. If this person cannot stand a leader leading people to join under one banner, then he/she needs to join another country...and stay there. IF religion is not what he thinks is the answer, then he needs to found a country that has no religion at all. He would probably be very happy in some place like, oh say, CHINA.

anyway, The rest of us need to shun him/her. Turn our backs to him/her and keep praying. They cannot be a part of society now if they refuse to let humans be what they are: Spirit filled.

[dely2]

Now you've done it. You've turned a meaningless distinction "those who pray" vs. "those who do not pray" into something much worse: "part of the problem" vs. "part of the solution." It is the creation of this false dichotomy that concerns atheists. Every time there is a national tragedy, the religious elements try to turn it to their advantage and use it to drive a wedge between citizens. I am not responsible for this bombing, and now you've told me that I'm part of the problem. You did not protect us from this tragedy, and you tell us that you are "part of the solution." I'm not sure where you're getting these ideas from, but they're wrong. Religous fervor is what created this problem. Maybe we could set that aside for a little while?

[dely2]

What do you mean by having our leader unite us "under one banner." Do you mean that we should have some form of imposed religion? Shall we expel all who are not of that religion? Are you trying to be the next Hitler? Why is it that this national tragedy brings about your hatred and bigotry? Why do you turn against your fellow countrymen?

[Saundra Duffy]

They can take their statement and shove it where the sun don't shine. God bless America! For victory & freedom!!!

[He Rides A White Horse]

I fact, these FFRF folks seem to want to violate it by attempting to prohibit the President and the people of the US from exercising our right to practice our religion.

I think you are absolutely correct. Because they are doing exactly what you that.

I would suggest that these people symbolize what is wrong in America today.

[He Rides A White Horse]

err......exactly what you that.

[SUSSA]

That may be right but those who originally had the intention to pray are doing so nonetheless and those who don't believe in prayer (or don't pray for other reasons) are not going to pray just because the president (or some other autority) says so.

Nothing says those who do not want pray have to pray. By the same token, nothing says President Bush can't ask people to pray. Mr. Bush didn't give up his right to free speech when he got elected.

You can ask me to give you a million dollars and I can say no. President Bush can ask people to stand on their heads. People are free to do it or not.

The constitution bars the president from ordering anyone to pray. It does not bar him from asking, any more than it bars me or you from asking.

[BMCDA]

I only wanted to remark that such a prayer request is superfluous.

[fone]

Are you trying to prove my ignorance or yours?

I wonder if Sir Thomas Gates (the author of that obscure writing) realized that 390 years after his failure, that his law (not Biblically based BTW) would become a rallying point for atheists/agnostics. Well, he's answered for that.

Nonetheless, review The Virginia Records Timeline and give me a break. The Salem Witch hunts (also wrong) resulted in the deaths of 13 people before it was stopped (as it should have been). The pagans today would make you think it was the first holocaust.

These things happened long before the Revolution, I imagine there were many people trying to do the right things the wrong way. The mindset had changed much in the 165 years between 1611 to 1776; not unlike what has transpired since 1836 to present.

I must say society in the last 165 years is a curious paradox of progress and philistinism; thank you for expanding my knowledge of the minutia of historical facts. The next 165 years will be interesting.

[fone]

BMCDA: You live on Moltkestrasse street, near the railroad tracks, somewhere in Germany.

Why do you care what our President says?