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Has the U.N. unwittingly done Israel a favor?
Wall St. Journal ^ | September 5, 2001 | SETH LIPSKY

Posted on 09/05/2001 6:15:49 AM PDT by SJackson

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:03:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Frenchie
Since 1993 (the start of Oslo) 400 Israelis and 600 Palestinians have died at the hands of the other.
41 posted on 09/05/2001 2:19:11 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Lent
He is the only outspoken Islamic cleric against the Intifada that I know of. He is a brave man, and a fatwa may soon be taken out on him.
42 posted on 09/05/2001 2:21:41 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SJackson
I think we are splitting hairs now my friend. The fact is lots of innocent Israelis and Palestinians are "losing their lives". Whatever the case there must be some shred of respect for the sanctity of innocent lives since they are indeed murdered in cold blood many times.
We need to send in UN/NATO troops.
43 posted on 09/05/2001 2:23:47 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: Frenchie
It is not acceptable to kill someone who is out to kill you unless they have a dagger right at your throat.

Perhaps unacceptable to you, but not to a Jew. The Talmud commands...

"If a man comes to kill you, rise up and kill him."
The life of an innocent has more value than the life of an aggressor. The object of that aggression may thus kill to protect his life. And on a tactical note, if the dagger is already at your throat, you're dog meat.
45 posted on 09/05/2001 2:27:38 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: monkeyshine
He is the only outspoken Islamic cleric against the Intifada that I know of. He is a brave man, and a fatwa may soon be taken out on him.

Interesting isn't it? The man is trying to build bridges and putting his life where his mouth is and they want to silence the man. I've been reading a number of things by him. While I don't agree with everything he states (especially his apologetic for Mohammed's actions in slaughtering 600-900 Jews and the treatment of the Jews in Arab Islamic lands) he is the type of person who would facilitate the building of bridges between the Jewish, Islamic and Christian communities. If he is representative of the Islamic community in Rome then God bless his efforts to bring understanding and reconciliation. He was excoriated by CAIR as well which tells you where CAIR is.

46 posted on 09/05/2001 2:30:33 PM PDT by Lent
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To: SQUID
You are naive. See ya later
47 posted on 09/05/2001 2:31:40 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Frenchie
You don't understand the meaning of the word Chosen. God loves all people equally. Chosen does not mean superior, it means Chosen to represent a way of life living by His laws, as an example for all people. Whether they achieve that end is up to them.

FWIW, I have read that He offered His laws to all the people's of the earth, and the Jews were the only one's to accept it. That does not make the others bad... the others only have 7 laws to live by, while the Jews have 613 laws to live by. In this respect it is a burden to be a Jew. They can't eat everything, they have to dress a certain way, they can't shave, they have to pray 3 times a day, etc, etc, etc. I have also read that in order to get the Israelites to accept these Laws, He held Mount Sinai over their heads and threatened to kill them all if they refused.

48 posted on 09/05/2001 2:37:31 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Lent
If he is representative of the Islamic community in Rome then God bless his efforts to bring understanding and reconciliation.

Amen!

49 posted on 09/05/2001 2:38:28 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Frenchie
So what? If as many Israelis as Palestinians had been killed you would be whining about something else. I know how it works

You should applaud the suicide bombers since they bring the tally of dead Jews closer to that of dead Palestinians.

50 posted on 09/05/2001 2:39:00 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: SQUID
I think we are splitting hairs now my friend.

No, just pointing out that murder and killing are not one in the same

We need to send in UN/NATO troops.

And what do you propose they do when they get there? Do you consider the UN a neutral party? What part of NATO is being threatened?

51 posted on 09/05/2001 2:41:37 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Frenchie
My God is a God of love and compassion for all His children no matter what race or country they are from. To select one race as the chosen is to limit God and make Him as we are.

I don't know who your god is but it is not the God who is the same yesterday, today and forever.

52 posted on 09/05/2001 2:46:17 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Sandra Deth, dennisw, DistantVoice, askel5
There have been a number of threads on FR about this subject. I know that Askel5 has followed the case of the EU's pedophiliac elite closely.

If you are interested in learning more, here'sa link to one of the better threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b2003ac2eec.htm

56 posted on 09/05/2001 3:45:36 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: JAWs
Israel has some huge loans out to India.
57 posted on 09/05/2001 3:51:28 PM PDT by Kudzu Flat
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To: cicero's_son Sandra Deth
What thread were you trying to link, Cicero's Son?

Here are:


58 posted on 09/05/2001 3:52:53 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: dennisw
And what exactly is "Israel's Corner"?

How is it "conservatives" -- of all people -- must jibe with a theocracy which, technically, cares so little for gentiles that they do not proselytize as a rule and even exclude their own from the Jewish "homeland"? What business have we defending some state the British and the UN and some atheist Jew terrorists set up to crank dynamics in the Middle East under the cover of "Zion" SANS Messiah?

59 posted on 09/05/2001 4:00:26 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Redcloak
Terrorism was the only policy of the Zionists, which were determined to scare all Arabs from what they believe was their land.

Cafes and restaurant were favorite targets of Zionist along with poor residential neighborhoods. More than 500 civilians were killed in the years of 1937 and 1938 alone.

On April 16, 1939, Zionist terrorists randomly shot two Arab civilians near Betah Takfe settlements setting up many similar instances where innocent civilians were randomly shot week after week. A study showed that the 6 months before the birth of Israel, over 1,000 Arabs were killed and almost a million scared or evicted from their homes. This is not only terrorism but mass terrorism, designed to force Muslims to migrate elsewhere.

These operations became more cruel when Zionist realized that a Jewish state was a possibility. The problem for the Zionist was however the security of the Jews.

The world however can obviously see that the Zionist did not want to mix with Arabs.

Around the second half of December 1947, Zionist attacked civilians in villages within the Haifa sub-district and soon they moved to villages in the sub-district of Safad and Tabaraya.

Over 170 men, women and children civilians were killed in these attacks. Although many Arabs were scared away at this point, this did not stop Zionist from attacking residents of Al-Tireh, Saasa, Kfar Husseiniya, Sarafand, Kalounya, Beyt Sourik, Aylaboun, Al-Shajara and Nasser Al-Dine killing 250 civilians. Israel however shocked the world when they slaughtered a few hundred civilians in the village of Deir Yassin, on the 19th of April. Even after the establishment of the Jewish state, Zionist still did not believe Israel to be pure.

In the summer of 1953, Israel attacked the camp of Bureig in Gaza, and then the village of Kubeiya killing 60 and wounding 90 Arab civilians. Every week seemed to bring another massacre at the hands of Zionists.

The more famous of these were the massacres at the village of Nahalin and the coast of Tabaraya lake killing around 20. In the 1956 war, Israel bombed villages in Gaza killing hundreds of civilians.

The 1956 massacres of Kfar Kassem and Khan Younus saw the deaths off 450 civilians which were mainly workers and farmers.

In 1966 and 1967, raids on Al-Nakib and Al-Sumu saw the deaths of 50 civilians.

60 posted on 09/05/2001 4:01:45 PM PDT by Kudzu Flat
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