Posted on 07/22/2025 9:11:45 PM PDT by RandFan
The CBS poll is an extreme outlier. Thanks for playing, though.
The only people Massie has to worry about "betraying" are his constituents. If they feel betrayed, they will send someone else to DC. If they feel their will is represented, they will send him back. This notion that just because someone has an R or a D next to their name means they must vote with that party 100% of the time is asinine. If I lived in Massie's district I would work to retire him, but I don't so I have to live in the real world and realize he may not vote for stuff I like.
Massie, for all his faults, is no Liz Cheney.
Unfortunately it makes a difference less in what is good for the U.S. in the long term and more what is good for Trump in the short term. We're gonna be stuck with this guy for another 6 years, 4 of it after Trump isn't even president anymore. It's so terrible.
50 Lindsey Grahams and Mitch McConnells and Bushs and Thom Tillises and you know the list. These people have helped the Democrats devastate the U.S. The same is for the house. 200 Paul Ryans and John Boehners and all the rest of the weak republicans have helped the Democrats far too long.
The fact that Graham has temporarily helped Trump in some areas is not a saving grace. We all know how Graham will go back to helping Democrats once the 2028 election is over. That is who he is. And he will have a free hand to do it all the way until 2032. It's so distressing to know the gains he is going to handover to the Democrats without a fight over those 4 years.
That’s exactly right.
And Massie, for all of his detractors, is free of comparisons by his detractors to Liz Cheney.(Or Lindsey Graham)
Everybody knows full well what Massie’s record is and how relatively awesome it is. She was worthless, not just her idiotic feud with Trump. Massie at least has a good record among his stupidity of picking this fight.
We would be in such a better place if we had 100 Thomas Massies in the house compared to how devastated this country has been because of having 100 Paul Ryans and Liz Cheneys in the house. It could not be more night and day.
That’s not really a response to my point - you attacking him for not endorsing Massie in the context of endorsing Graham.
True...Massie supported Trump’s agenda in the House even less than Cheney did. That’s really something.
She probably wouldn’t have voted against denying visas to forced organ harvesters, either.
I really wasn’t that specific as you insinuate. Someone suggested Massie is a RINO, which Trump is not opposed to supporting.
That simple statement is entirely true; Trump will happily endorse RINOs and it is also true Lindsey Graham has always been a RINO’s RINO’s RINO. You aren’t in turbo mode to deny it. We all know Graham’s treachery and toxicity very well.
The issue of why this is happening rests on loyalty, however the entire notion of loyalty is problematic here because it rests on a foundation of an idea that backing a real conservative in the primaries to replace Graham would somehow result in an anti-Trump candidate.
That foundation is wholly bankrupt.
Trump is not risking the rise of an anti-Trump GOP candidate in SC. Such a senate candidate would be wholly unelectable.
The only risk here is ours to bear. Our risk. Graham is an extraordinarily weak senator. Buckling to the whims of the Democrats at every turn; and following Trump’s lead like a puppy. Once Trump is gone we all will be left to drink the poison of that risk.
No more President Trump means the last 4 years of Graham’s upcoming 6 year turn(28-32) will be Democrats for the win. That is, in fact, who Graham has been for the last two decades. To that extent my use of the word “risk” is wholly unfounded. The guarantee, not risk, the guarantee is that Lindsey Graham will return to surrendering to the Democrats after the next inauguration. 2028 is coming fast.
Well, yes it was. I’m not diving off onto the secondary arguments - they have a great deal of merit with Graham’s long history (especially when he was more influenced by McCain) but the fact still remains he has been on board with Trump far more than Massie has, and Massie has been outwardly hostile to Trump personally as well, so the fact that he would endorse Graham, but not Massie, does make sense in that respect. I’m not arguing whether it is “good” or “bad” for him to do so. The year to take Graham out would have been 2014, but those seeking to oust him got too clever by half by taking a strategy of running numerous candidates to try to keep him below 50%, which instead resulted in a totally disjointed messaging which allowed him to slip through. He’s there until he retires now.
But on sort of the same note you take with Graham, I’m quite frankly perplexed as to why “MAGA” (at least those affiliated with it) are enamored with Nate Morris in Kentucky for the Senate primary and his long history of championing leftist causes like DEI, sensitivity training for “white privilege”, transgender issues, etc. Andy Barr is squarely backed by the establishment, and all of the “big names” whether establishment or “MAGA” ignore Daniel Cameron, presently the only mostly conservative candidate in the race, despite his large leads in the polls...but that lead won’t last most likely given his lackluster fundraising. Maybe people are waiting to see Scott Jennings will actually take the plunge and get into the race.
I suspect its because Morris is hitting all of the right notes. The whole garbage truck stunt is reminding people of how Trump campaigned.
I have never heard of any of these candidates to be honest, so what I can find of them now in 5 minutes it is said that Cameron is tied to McConnell. I honestly do not know if it is true. Anybody tied to McConnell is probably suspect.
Cameron has a leadership position with the 1792 Exchange so that is probably who I would put my trust in first before a flashy bank operator.
Because Massie voted against “The Big Beautiful Bill.” Massie then opened fire on Trump by claiming that Trump and his friends are on the “list”.
Yes, those arguments are made...but the reality is that anyone who is a Republican in Kentucky is or was “tied to McConnell” - including Morris (Morris actually opposed Trump’s re-nomination and supported Nikki Haley). The argument “you can’t vote for him - he once supported McConnell” is a bizarre argument, since that would apply to virtually every single GOP primary voter once supporting McConnell - the very same people would have voted down these people had they not supported McConnell just a few short years ago at the times that they did. Here is how McConnell himself was received by a “MAGA” crowd at Trump rally back in 2018 with President Trump himself introducing him to speak: https://youtu.be/6WTBFEz_BUg?si=LB_TJrA6sxN6QWp2&t=765 - and it is in this time period these candidates had their “ties” to McConnell...McConnell was liked around here as well during that time...at least more than that he is now.
Barr, Cameron, Morris, and also Jennings all have past strong ties to McConnell. Only Morris has the very recent history of pushing DEI, BLM, “white privilege” sensitivity training, transgender corporate groups, etc. - so why those like Charlie Kirk would promote him is bizarre to me. I’m not going to argue they should endorse or feature any other of the other specific candidates - but openly support Morris with that kind of record?
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