Electric Desperation: Tesla and Ford Urge Buyers to Act Fast as $7,500 EV Tax Credit Is Set to Expire

Breitbart ^ | 13 Jul 2025 | LUCAS NOLAN

[TexasGator]

“They’re not taking any significant market share from ICE vehicles, and that’s what the discussion is about.”

The number 1 selling car in the world is an EV.

The number 9 selling car in the world is an EV.

20% of world sales are EVs.

20% is a significant market share.

[T.B. Yoits]

EVs are not the way of the future. Hydrogen is.

Hydrogen is the way of the present, in addition to the past and future.

We burn hydrocarbons.

[TexasGator]

“Tesla & Waymo leading the way. “

Raymond buys cars from major manufactures.

[gw-ington]

When you have a poor business model you have a poor business model.

That's a meaningless tautology supported by thin air. Nice job!

So typical of the dimwit anti-EV crowd ... no offense intended.

LOL.

[adorno]

The number 1 selling car in the world is an EV.

With Europe having to go EV because gas is so expensive over there, it's no wonder that EVs have such a big market share over there.

But, EVs are just 1.4% of the u.s. market, and if fuel ever gets less expensive again in Europe, you can bet they'll be dropping their EVs for gas powered vehicles.

But still, the vast majority of vehicles are powered by fossil-fuels.

The number 9 selling car in the world is an EV.

Overall, the EV market share is tiny, no matter what EVs are selling 'well' anywhere.

20% of world sales are EVs.

China has to import its oil, which then makes them the biggest market for EVs. with China producing their own vehicles. Take China out of the EV equation, and the total world EV market drops sharply.

And with European gas prices being so high, they too needed to move away from gas-powered vehicles.

The U.S. is still the largest market for vehicle sales and the almost invisible EV market share here, wont be changing any time soon, not with gas prices coming down. If Europe get to share the rising availability of gas, they too will drop their purchases of EVs.

But still, with two large markets, Europe and China, making most of the EV purchases, the 20% market share is very small.

And when it comes to making new purchases after the initial purchase, how many are going for EVs again? In the U.S., most EV purchasers don't go back for more, and in fact, many decide to return their EVs soon after purchase, or trade them in for ICE vehicles. China will insist that people buy EVs, and they can do so by making ICE vehicles a lot more expensive and rare. So, EV sales in china will remain high. In Europe, it's only a matter of making gasoline prices reasonable again..

And with the EV subsidy going away in the U.S., prices for EVs will be higher, and there will be a huge drop in sales for EVs in the U.S.

20% is a significant market share.

Only becasue of the unavailability or high prices of fuel in the markets where EVs seem a better option.



And it's still not making a dent in the U.S. market, and as the economic saying says: as goes the U.S., so goes the world.

Make gas affordable again, and widely available again, and EVs will start to disappear from the vehicle landscape. They're almost invisible in the U.S. now. And 20% of market 'worldwide' after more than 20 years, means that it's not going to get any better. In the U.S., EV sales will get even worse when Ford and GM finally decide that it's insane to continue building all their EVs will heavy losses per vehicle.

Imagine a potato farmer selling his potatoes at a loss with each potato sold. No farmer can sell his products at a loss and would have to find another line of business. Ford and GM are using OPM for their insane business practices. That can't continue much longer.

Even Tesla is suffering a drop in car sales, and with that, a drop in revenue: Tesla is still profitable, but its profits have significantly declined. In the first quarter of 2025, Tesla reported a net profit of $409 million, a 71% decrease year-over-year. This decline comes amid a slump in sales, increased political scrutiny surrounding CEO Elon Musk, and a drop in automotive revenue. While Tesla's "Services and Others" business saw a significant increase in gross profit, it still represents a small portion of the company's overall revenue.

[gw-ington]

T.B. Yoits: "... [long-winded diatribe about Logic 101 basic concepts, with the obvious goal of desperately trying to divert the topic away from "EVs vs. ICE," which is the topic] ..."

So let's steer befuddled T.B. Yoits back to the point:

Legacy automakers are incompetent at high tech. They've even farmed out their dash UI control to Google and Apple. And we all agree they're losing -$20K, -$40K, -$50K on each EV they sell. LOL.

Yet the dimwit anti-EV fools on this thread mindlessly conclude that EVs thus suck and ICE will totally rule for "100 years" into the future. That's their so-called "argument" - it's been around for "100 years" so ICE will be the King of the Hill for another "100 years," and thus we dimwit anti-EV zealots have proven our so-called "point" ... case closed. (LOL)

Legacy automakers are in over their heads. But counter to the clueless anti-EV cultists on this thread, it's not the fault of the EV concept itself that legacy automobile makers are (so far) losing tons of money on each EV they sell. It's the problem with the legacy automakers themselves. So obvious ... to sane people.

I can only conclude, once again: LOL.

[adorno]

“Partly electric. Which is NOT the same as electric.”

Still true. A hybrid is mostly gas-driven.

Really?

Yep! Really!

Thanks for the info.

Happy to inform you.

I thought they ran on horse manure.

Nope! Just because your comments seem to be powered by horse manure, doesn't mean that EVs are too. (Sorry, couldn't resist).

[adorno]

Best seller of ALL cars, including all ICE cars.

Not in the U.S. We've already covered that ground.

And EV sales in the U.S. are still tiny. TEsla sales are going down. Look it up. the market for EVs was artificially created by the insane fossil-fuel derangement syndrome from democrats/leftists.

[adorno]

I wasn’t making fun. I was stating a fact which you missed.

You haven't had any facts, so there was nothing to miss.

[adorno]

EV’s are 7.5% of new car sales.

That would still equal about 7 out of every 100 vehicles sold. Not a very significant number for those that hyp EVs so much.

But still, the overall market-share for EVs in the U.S. is a puny 1.4%. And those making new purchases, and those already owning EVs, will not go back for a second EV. Lessons learned.

[gw-ington]

adorno:< "... [long-winded diatribe desperately intended to divert readers' attention away from the actual topic, "EVs vs ICE"] ..."

Let's get the loud-mouthed, frantic, anti-EV motormouths (you see what I did there?) back on track:

adorno: ... hybrids are [the] only hope, along with the regular ICE vehicles. EVs are not the future ..."

First, "hybrids": Maybe if legacy automakers made a new "hybrid" with 4 or 5 (not just 2) different drivetrains in one car, I might consider buying it. LOL.

Ford CEO said Chinese EVs an "existential threat" to global auto industry. The few dimwit anti-EV zealots claim he only said that to get some EV credit bucks. Wait, what? Ford CEO totally trashes his company, Ford engineers, and trashes himself and Ford's reputation just for a few EV credit shekels, even though Ford's losing $50K per Ford EV sold? LOL.

Obvious answer: Ford CEO getting a few EV credit bucks is clearly not the reason for his very public admission. The actual reason for his public statement is that Ford CEO Farley knows the global auto/EV industry far better than anyone on this forum. Farley knows every EV model that's out there, all their capabilities, and he knows Ford has no chance in hell, so he publicly admitted it. He's basically saying: I know the global auto industry and I'm giving you the facts. I'm the best person to run this company because I'm dealing with the reality for Ford, not some absurdly insane fantasy that ICE is the future for the next "100 years." I won't sweep facts under the rug. Instead, I've faced up to the reality and will do the best I can to help Ford address it. Step #1: Trump, you better ban Chinese EVs from entering the U.S. or Ford is toast. If you do that Trump, then I'll do my best to keep Ford going.

[gw-ington]

Sure you are, you just act and sound like a lefty.

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Of course you can't even provide one shred of "evidence" to back up your nonsensical claim. Figures. LOL.

[EVO X]

20% of world sales are EVs.

California has EV sales have been around 25% for the last couple of years. PHEVs are included in the number, but BEV purchases outnumber them by a wide margin. From what I can tell, US EV sales are around 8% depending on what article you read. It will be interesting to see what happens when the rebates go away at the end of September..

[adorno]

Bewqre!

lectricity rations hit Dutch citizens as government goes ‘green’

It's an article currently being discussed on FR.

What do EVs run on?

[adorno]

Obvious answer: Ford CEO getting a few EV credit bucks is clearly not the reason for his very public admission. The actual reason for his public statement is that Ford CEO Farley knows the global auto/EV industry far better than anyone on this forum. Farley knows every EV model that's out there, all their capabilities, and he knows Ford has no chance in hell, so he publicly admitted it. He's basically saying: I know the global auto industry and I'm giving you the facts. I'm the best person to run this company because I'm dealing with the reality for Ford, not some absurdly insane fantasy that ICE is the future for the next "100 years." I won't sweep facts under the rug. Instead, I've faced up to the reality and will do the best I can to help Ford address it. Step #1: Trump, you better ban Chinese EVs from entering the U.S. or Ford is toast. If you do that Trump, then I'll do my best to keep Ford going.

Did you get that word-salad from Kamala, or are you trying your own luck with nonsense?

Farley doesn't have a prayer with his EV solutions. And warning about China isn't going to enhance Ford's sales of EVs. China won't be allowed to dump EVs in America, and Americans are not going to buy that junk.anyway. But, let's scare Americans about China and Ford will get more sales. Is that right???

BTW, I'm not anti-EV. I'm anti-the-hyperbole surrounding EVs. Make a good and dependable and affordable EV (not luxury price) with good driving range (300+ miles on a charge) and that can charge up to 80% or more in 5-10 minutes, and I'm in. I haven't heard of such a vehicle yet. But, I'm hopeful while not holding my breath.

No more nonsensical word-salads, please. If I want that, I'll wait for Kamala's next press conference or interview.

[T.B. Yoits]

So let's steer befuddled T.B. Yoits back to the point: Legacy automakers are incompetent at high tech... Legacy automakers are in over their heads.

Yet YOU tried to gaslight others on this thread about how great the CEO of the legacy automaker Ford is. Which is it? He's great or incompetent at high tech and in over his head?

And the one non-legacy automaker, that actually makes EVs exclusively, you think he's a complete moron. I get it. You're paid to post.

"I think Musk is a complete moron." - 52 Posted by gw-ington

"But I suggest you listen to Ford CEO Jim Farley when he tells you..." 83 Posted by gw-ington

"...do yourself a favor and listen to what the Ford CEO Jim Farley has actually said..." 89 Posted by gw-ington

"You should ask yourself: What does Ford CEO Jim Farley (whose company also sells EVs) know that you don't?" 105 Posted by gw-ington

"Who knows more about EVs? The Ford CEO (whose company actually sells EVs) or the total morons on this thread who say EVs are total garbage and claim they know a lot more about EVs and the auto industry than the Ford CEO?... It's so easy to rebut the complete nonsense from those idiots on this thread who think they know more about the auto industry than the Ford CEO." 108 Posted by gw-ington

"The Ford CEO is absolutely certain EVs are the real deal... I think I'll side with the Ford CEO on this one. Basically, you have no idea what you're talking about." 112 Posted by gw-ington

"Who knows more about the auto industry and EVs? Ford CEO Jim Farley? ... or the Beavis & Butthead of this thread..." 119 Posted by gw-ington

"Literally every sane person would agree with the Ford CEO regarding EVs..." 124 Posted by gw-ington

"I've yet to see even one person on this forum who knows anywhere near what the Ford CEO knows about the auto industry and the EV industry. Not even remotely close." 126 Posted by gw-ington

[TexasGator]

“Not in the U.S. We’ve already covered that ground.”

From previous posts:

Best seller in the world.

#8 in USA.

[GaltAdonis]

“Why would anyone buy an EV is beyond me.”

Virtue signaling and / or delusion - if you can differentiate between the two.

[Georgia Girl 2]

When you need govt subsidies to exist you have a poor business model. No offense. 😏

[adorno]

Best seller in the world.

#8 in US

Tesla benefited from the early hype for electric vehicles, but lately, other car makers hae become more competitive,and have even taken market share from Tesla. Tesla sales are dropping, big time.

But still, EVs are not what people are migrating towards, and if the Chinese junk was removed from the computations, EVs would have a much lower percentage of the overall car market.

And one must remember that, new cars are not the only way to measure the overall sales of vehicles.

In the U.S., used car sales typically constitute about three-quarters of all car purchases.

Used vehicle sales significantly outpace new car sales each year. In 2019, for example, used vehicle sales in the U.S. surpassed new vehicle sales by a ratio of nearly 3:1.

The considerable price disparity between new and used cars is a major factor driving demand for pre-owned vehicles. The average price of a new vehicle can be significantly higher than a used one. For example, in the first quarter of 2024, the average new car transaction price was more than 73% higher than the average used car price.

In 2022, 38.6 million used light vehicles were sold in the U.S.. While this was a decrease from the 43.1 million sold in 2021, used cars continue to represent a significant portion of the market.

Surveys indicate that while many car shoppers may initially prefer new vehicles, market realities, particularly price, often lead them to purchase a used car.



MEANWHILE:

In March, used electric vehicle sales in the US represented 2% of the total used car market, according to Cox Automotive. This is a record high for the used EV market share. In terms of volume, 34,891 used EVs were sold in March, a 45% increase month-over-month. Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Used EVs reached a 2% retail share of the used car market r> for the first time in March.

34,891 Units Sold: This represents a significant increase from the 24,875 units sold in February.

39% Year-over-year Growth: Used EV sales are also experiencing strong growth compared to the same period last year.

Tesla's Dominance: Tesla continues to dominate the used EV market with a 54.5% share.

Chevrolet and Ford follow with 9.2% and 6.8% market shares, respectively.



Read that part again:

Tesla's Dominance: Tesla continues to dominate the used EV market with a 54.5% share.>

It stands to reason that the best selling EV is also the biggest selling used EV. But think about it another way:If Teslas were such a good purchase and so good as EVs, why would so many people be getting rid of them?

And then think about what people purchase next after getting rid of their EVs.