Posted on 01/23/2025 10:42:00 AM PST by bitt
No other country in the world has birthright citizenship?
I wonder what John thinks “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means
I think you make the judge himself go to the Supreme Court to make it a national order instead of an order only for his sphere of influence. if the Judge tries to jail trump for contempt, you arrest the judge for insurrection and let the courts sort it out! I don’t think the judges have a right below the appelate levels to issue national orders like this! The lawsuit was not filed in the DC Circuit...which was interesting. Still its only a 14 day stay for now. The question needs an answer and not by the courts ...but by lazy congress and the senate!
I guess the judge missed the part where it states - “born under the jurisdiction thereof.”
What does this mean, Your Honor?
It’s got to mean something or the author would not have included it in the amendment. Isn’t that correct, Your Honor?
The Fourteenth Amendment History.....
The author of the citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob M. Howard of Michigan, told us exactly what it means and its intended scope as he introduced it to the United States Senate in 1866....
“I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”
He continues,
“This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.” end quote
There was a question after the end of the Civil War as to whether the newly emancipated slaves were American citizens. This was the motivation behind the 14th Amendment.
To make the children of illegal aliens citizens or to allow birthright tourism is a travesty.
These words of Senator Jacob Howard are from thefederalistpapers.org.
Self correcting inaccurate verbiage.
Just ignore this creep Judge and move on...Obama did it , Biden did it... Besides the Law is broken anyway..
ajudicate
btw fed district judges do not have authority to enact nationwide blocks
they have just never been challenged
congress should clear this up
Complaint filed by Attorneys Generals:
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/v0.pdf
One thing I think that could be done is to screen tourists for their pregnancies before coming here. Anybody 7 months along or older can be banned from coming here until after their pregnancies. I would like to see the judges rule against that.
In 1995, Coughenour found Washington State’s Sexually Violent Predator Law to be “criminal in nature”. He ruled the law unconstitutionally violated protections against post facto laws and double jeopardy. …If this is what Coughenour said about that law, then it was probably neither. He would probably say that the phony NY law that Trump got “prosecuted” under was not post facto, too.
— So saith Wikipedia
It appears the loser left believes that the 14th Amendment was written to help the Birth Vacation Industry. What a bunch of losers.
That's not a good reason to ignore the law - because previous (lawless) Presidents ignored the law.
Final clean up on aisle four.
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Your Honor?
why? the 14th is pretty clear.. it just needs to be clearly enforced.
Best reason as it is broken and this is an emergency, gotta finish breaking it to fix it! Worry about the details later on.
With thee USSC sweeping the Chevron Doctrine into the dustbin (deference to agencies on unclear laws), this issue is not so cut and dried.
The USSC said in the Chevron opinion that there must be a review of the Congressional Record to clarify questions on the intent of laws.
The Congressional Record on the 14h Amendment clearly shows that the INTENT of the Senate in passing the 14th Amendment out for ratification was that it was not intended to the children of people in the United States illegally nor to the children of emmisaries and ambassadors and their staffs who are citizens of foreign countries.
Of course, the Library of Congress has tried to hide and obfuscate these vital records, but they have been captured for the record.
I suspect the USSC will fast-track this issue for resolution.
Amend the Constitution. This Executive Order has more chance of failure than success and like most Executive Orders, it is reversible.
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