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Bitcoin is up by 138% this year. It is a nonsense-free rally.
The Economist ^ | 12/12/24 | Buttonwood

Posted on 12/16/2024 9:48:58 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970

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1 posted on 12/16/2024 9:48:58 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Bitcoin is a scam. It doesn’t even exist.


2 posted on 12/16/2024 9:56:42 AM PST by Diversity Is Our Weakness
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To: Diversity Is Our Weakness

ok


3 posted on 12/16/2024 10:03:24 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Diversity Is Our Weakness

How so?


4 posted on 12/16/2024 10:04:44 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: Diversity Is Our Weakness
Bitcoin is a scam. It doesn’t even exist.

I keep waiting for someone to explain to me what a Bitcoin actual is and why other than speculation it has any value.

I get why people by commodities like frozen concentrated orange juice because it has value but what is a Bitcoin? Even tulips had some value.

5 posted on 12/16/2024 10:08:03 AM PST by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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To: Diversity Is Our Weakness
Bitcoin is a scam. It doesn’t even exist.

The same logic could be applied to the US Dollar. Without gold and silver backing it, it's only value is what we believe it is, and what we are told it is.
6 posted on 12/16/2024 10:13:05 AM PST by j_guru
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When my creditors accept Bitcoin as payment for debts owed—I am in.

Until that day—I am out.


7 posted on 12/16/2024 10:14:45 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: usurper
I keep waiting for someone to explain to me what a Bitcoin actual is and why other than speculation it has any value.

Bitcoin is money that is backed by nothing at all. Just like the US dollar.

8 posted on 12/16/2024 10:16:28 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn’t become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: cgbg
When my creditors accept Bitcoin as payment for debts owed—I am in.

Many of your creditors are the ones buying up mass quantities as fast as possible. which is very telling.
9 posted on 12/16/2024 10:17:25 AM PST by j_guru
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They won’t let me pay my bills with it.


10 posted on 12/16/2024 10:18:01 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: Diversity Is Our Weakness
It doesn’t even exist.

,,, it does for those who believe. I see it as a computer entry that's no more than a bet on a fart that may or may not turn solid. As much as the title for this thread claims a 138% uptick, there's been significant "buying opportunities" along the way when BitCoin has tanked dramatically. Don't settle on just BitCoin, look at oil as well. There's no way enough oil is available on any given day that a contract closes, for the paper tied to each deal. So much of what's traded is a scam. This year my holdings in physical silver have increased way more than 138%. My problem is knowing what it's worth when everything that's a computer entry comes crashing down... and I sense that's likely sooner than later.

11 posted on 12/16/2024 10:20:53 AM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Diversity Is Our Weakness

Ya ,I don’t trust cryptocurrency


12 posted on 12/16/2024 10:27:55 AM PST by butlerweave
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Don’t let the army of scammers and flim flam artists scare you off with their fancy big claims and big words and big promises...

Remember—you can’t lose if you stand on your head on Tuesdays and scream “block-chain” over and over and over again.....


13 posted on 12/16/2024 10:30:10 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: gitmo
Bitcoin is money that is backed by nothing at all. Just like the US dollar.

The US Dollar most definitely has backing.

Our government has both taxing authority and monetary authority over every dollar you have. They have many levels of police force and confinement options, should you not do what is right, as well. Additionally, the government has all sorts of assets and can block you from ever leaving the US, as well.

Bitcoin has none of that to back it up.

Care to rethink your comment?

14 posted on 12/16/2024 10:32:54 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Without gold and silver backing it, it's only value is what we believe it is, and what we are told it is.

,,, the $US has had one specific global marketing advantage that BitCoin hasn't had... the guarantee of the US government backing it. As a dollar is now worth about four cents, that means nothing presently. Over the decades though it was security that kept the $US as the reserve currency. When Russia was blocked from using SWIFT and the $US was effectively weaponized, that's when it lost credibility. It lost value through constant inflation by way of over printing.

15 posted on 12/16/2024 10:35:00 AM PST by shaggy eel
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To: usurper

Now apply the same logic to any fiat currency (like the US dollar).


16 posted on 12/16/2024 10:36:35 AM PST by taxcontrol (You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: Diversity Is Our Weakness
It doesn’t even exist.

Ahh, you must be an atheist of the materialist/reductionist sort. The sort of person who believes only matter and energy exist. But contrary to that view, most modern thinkers on the subject also hold that a 3rd entity objectively exists: information. Information is an objectively real, independent entity that coexists and interacts with matter and energy, but is not mattery or energy in itself.

As an example, when you read a sentence printed with ink on paper, speak it aloud to your phone, which the puts it in an text and sends around the world, it is not matter or energy that is being transformed from matter (ink) to energy (photons to the eye) to matter (brain cells) to audio waves (speaking the sentence) to electrons. If it were then E=mc^2 would be involved in the matter/energy transformations, and that would be... interesting...

But no, it is information riding on all these media that exists and is being transmitted. And Bitcoin is information, not matter/energy like gold or dollar bills. As such it is well suited for the digital age. And it is quite real, measurable, fungible, censorship-resistant, scarce, divisible and so on - all characteristics of good money.

17 posted on 12/16/2024 10:37:40 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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Like the IRS?

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-on-virtual-currency-transactions#:~:text=The%20IRS%20will%20accept%20as,an%20exact%20date%20and%20time.


18 posted on 12/16/2024 10:37:52 AM PST by taxcontrol (You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.)
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I hear the government of El Salvador will accept it as payment as well.

Lol.

Bitcoin has a stench to it that just won’t quit.


19 posted on 12/16/2024 10:40:37 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

That is great.

After it has been in use for one hundred years I will be very impressed.

Until then—I will be watching the fun from the sidelines.

Right now it smells like “safe and effective” vaxxes to me.


20 posted on 12/16/2024 10:42:04 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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