Posted on 10/13/2024 7:00:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
EXACTLY WHO IS RESCUING OUR STRANDED ASTRONAUGHTS?????
SEEMS AS THO MUSK IS.
50 to 100 launches times how much for each launch and the democrats want to block the launches!
They do this to business’s of all sizes. They destroyed 40% of small business in Los Angeles and San Francisco and do not care!
urban-centric low-information, foreign/born first generation, unionized immigrants out for benefits coupled with inter-state slackers moving to Calif for the weather and freebies:
Foreign-born California residents accounted for 70% of those age 25 to 64 without a high school diploma. In NY that number is 24%
https://www.ppic.org/publication/immigrants-in-california/#:~:text=1.%20Foreign-born%20residents
23% of NY residents are foreign born. 18% of NY children have at least one foreign-born parent. 27% of California residents are foreign born. 46% of children have at least one foreign born parent.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/immigrants-in-new-york#:~:text=In%202018%2C%203.6%20million%20people%20in%20New%20York,Americans%20who%20had%20at%20least%20one%20immigrant%20parent.
California’s population is 95% urban. NY has an urban population of 19M, but if you add San Jose (1M) and San Francisco (4.6M) to LA’s (12M), the two states have pretty equal urban populations, although Calif’s urban population is denser:
“The nation’s most densely populated urban areas of 200,000 or more people are:
Los Angeles—Long Beach—Anaheim, CA (7,476 people per square mile)
San Francisco—Oakland, CA (6,843 people per square mile)*
San Jose, CA (6,436 people per square mile)
New York—Jersey City—Newark, NY—NJ (5,981 people per square mile)
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/urban-rural-populations.html#:~:text=Of%20the%2050%20states%2C%20California%20was%20the%20most,with%20the%20largest%20urban%20populations%20are%3A%20California%20%2837%2C259%2C490%29
by the second, and mostly by the third generation, after accumulating wealth, immigrant voters smarten up and turn Republican. Unfortunately the influx into urban areas outnumbers the conversions in less urban areas, although Republicans have tried several times to split the state into 3rds to mitigate the effect.
The property where the launches take place are military and federal property and any commission in California has no control over what’s done. A military base will work with a state but is not required to.
Take your tax money with you. Go Galt!
And from one coast you can launch north, and from another, south...
The Coastal Commission was established by popular vote.
Sadly, Alaska in not on or near the Equator.
Maybe when the poles flip it will be?
” My suggestion would be Baja Mexico/Western Mexico.”
Then he has to pay the cartels.
Musk is not backing the California government-approved candidates: “The Two ‘Tards” (has the makings of a movie title).
No, but that doesn’t matter for high-inclination or polar orbits.
They already have done polar launches from KSC they dog leg past Miami and land the boosters and fairings just short of Cuba in international waters. The second stage is going so fast by the time it’s IIP crosses Cuba it’s moving at hypersonic speed and crosses Cuba in minutes. IIP is instantaneous impact point. It’s the point on the ground of a rocket fails where it’s debris would impact after entry. It’s always in front of a ascending rocket and moves at an ever increasing speed as the rocket gains horizontal velocity until it’s no longer on the surface of the planet at orbital velocity. Cuba and the Caribbean sea are in the path by the time the rocket reaches central America it’s orbital. In short they could abandon vandy it’s only reason for existing is military polar and SSO orbital slots both can now be done from Florida with a dog leg. Or falcon heavy can because of its massive payload capabilities do a plain change maneuver from a 56 degree to a 90 degree orbit that’s 1800 meter per second or so of Delta V falcon can throw 18,000 lbs through that much DV from LEO more in fully expendable.
It’s all moot Starship launched and they caught the booster with mechazilla in a feat of engineering big dick energy humans have never seen before. They just fundamentally changed the game in space flight. Starship can put 150 tons or more into LEO from Texas at a 28 degree orbital slot. With that much throw mass you can do any plane change maneuver you want with well over 100 tonnes you need 50 tonnes of fuel and third stage a single raptor engine is like 1500kg using the tank factors for a second stage falcon 9 which is 116 tonnes fully fueled and empty mass is 3900kg with 500kg being the Merlin engine. So 3400kg for tanks and everything else holding 100+tonnes of fuel. You need half that to push 100 tonnes through 1800ms2 DV. So half a falcon second stage and a single raptor engine is going to be under 3000kg for a kick stage of epic proportions. Launch from Texas with 150 tonnes of third stage and payload kick it out at 200 nm LEO and 28 degrees inclinations. Then return starship to Texas for a VTOL landing on it’s concrete pad. The kick stage then turns off axis as it crosses the equator and fires 100 tonnes of fuel to bend the orbital plane to 90degrees while also increasing the altitude in a single burn. You then either let the payload do it’s apogee circle burn or let the stage relight at apogee same same it’s only 200 meters per second or so to.circle an orbit at SSO or typical polar orbit altitudes.
This is how we used to get to geosynchronous orbit from the Cape back in the day. Fly out at 28 ish degrees inclination wait till it crosses the equator and fire a huge solid rocket kick stage to put the payload on a GTO orbit and do the plane change at the same time. Then an apogee kick stage circulatorizes the orbit at apogee. It’s old hat for the USA space program. It’s more efficient with modern liquid kick stages to do the plane change at GSO apogee but you then need a triple burn stage something we didn’t have back than.
Vandy is military complex welfare at its finest it’s a relec of an era that SpaceX has made obsolete with boosters that can fly home which now falcon 9, Falcon Heavy AND Starship have proven. Let it rot, launch from Texas or KSC both MAGA states.
SpaceX has already done polar launches from the Cape. They dog leg past Miami and land the boosters and fairings just short of Cuba in international waters. They take a hit on mass due to the second stage having to plane change while in it’s.climb out. It’s vector is cosign to it’s path so you are sacrificing horizontal orbital velocity to bend the orbital plane. Still they have enough throw weight to have done return to launch pad booster recovery vs drone ship for Falcon 9 twice now. With Falcon Heavy they could do a dual return to launch pad booster recovery and catch the center booster on a drone ship short of.Cuba. The second stage is always orbital and they can just drop it in the Pacific like the normally do.
All that is moot once Starship flys it’s got so much throw weight you can just brute force any orbit you want even retrograde ones. Simply putting a falcon 9 second stage inside starship as a third stage would give 11,000 meters per second of Delta V to a 10 ton payload that’s enough to throw it to Saturn or Pluto really C3 escape velocity which gets you anywhere in the solar system. People don’t grasp how much Starship changes the game in disposable mode it can throw twice the Saturn V the next version will do three times the mass if you throwaway the booster. That just caught it so they can do exactly what they do with falcon 9 reuse boosters chunk second stages. Elon just said Starbase is gearing up for 1000 starships per year Henry Ford style. Forget reuse of the second stage right now, just make a tank with RCS controls.and 6 raptors under it like a falcon 9 second stage, then a HUGE Fiberglass fairing cheap.and disposable inside that 150+ tonnes of space goodness if you need high Delta V put a falcon 9 second stage inside it as a kick stage you still.have 50 tonnes of payload on top of the world’s best kick stage on a mass fraction basis. Even better than centuar. They should do both start launching payloads in semi reusable mode like falcon 9 and also work on getting Starship to land on a concrete pad.
There was a plan to use matagorda island in Texas for the shuttle to get both polar military launches South over the Gulf of Mexico the boosters fall short of Mexico. The shuttle and its ET pass rapidly over Mexico it’s IIP is.supersonic then hypersonic by Mexico anyways. The ET breaks up over the southern Pacific. The only reason vandy exists was for polar shuttle launches something they never did it was MIC welfare from the very beginning. Texas lost the bid for the Matagorda site there is still concrete pads from the test launches of sounding rockets on the island. It’s moot now with modern fly back or land on drone ship boosters you can launch from the Cape to polar with falcon 9 or heavy the boosters come back or land on drone ships before any landmass is hit. Texas could still do polar from Matagorda to the Bolivar South towards Mexico , Falcon 9 would drone ship 600km south and falcon heavy would send two back to the island and land center booster 1300km away still short of Mexico. That’s for alternative history since from Starbase you can throw Starship into a 28 degree orbital inc and catch the booster back at Starbase then use all that mass for fuel to plane change at the equator to.any inclination you want with still more mass than any other rocket system in the planet. Since starship doesn’t drop anything on it’s way to orbit you could do a south launch towards Mexico skirting the coast with the booster IIP till hotstage sep then boost back to a catch at Starbase. Starship then crosses Mexico with a supersonic IIP over the central mountains and dog legs to a polar inclination on the way up , you take a mass hit for the off vector thrusting but when you have 150+ tonnes of space goodness to play with even losing half you won’t but still 75 tonnes to polar is so much overkill for even the largest Hubble sized spy bird and let’s be honest that’s what goes to SSO and polar orbits the only large payloads going to those orbital planes are spy birds and ELINT or radar sats.
The best state to launch from would be Hawaii its closest to the equator so by physics you get the most orbital boost from mother earth. It has oceans to the east and North so any inclination is open from any of its islands North East corners. Even due east into Latin America your second stage is orbital before it’s IIP hits land same to the north no inclination is off limits. Launch from the west side or the South east corner to do retrograde orbits in fact the South east corner of the big island would give you nearly 270 degree of launch azimuth from slightly retrograde North to due east to 180 degrees due South to 50+ degrees retrograde south of 180, with a dog leg around the point you could do a due west retrograde why is the question there is no advantage to losing 300+ meters per second fighting the earth’s rotation. Only nations which can’t launch due east North or south ever do retrograde think Israel they have to launch west over the Mediterranean. Hawaii is by far the best USA held land to launch from or Puerto Rico can also do North and East from same pad. If you tread the gap from the BVIs and Antigua East north is clear.
Politically and culturally Hawai’i is out.
Politically Hawai’ian launches would eventually be banned, without the cover of being on military property.
Culturally native Hawai’ians would regard a space launch facility with the attendant flame, smoke and rumbling as a direct affront and challenge to Pele. That’s a non-starter.
For those reasons and the long supply chain to Hawai’i, I excluded it out of hand.
If Puerto Rico attains statehood they would definitely be in the running for all the reasons you listed.
“Go ahead and run with your tail between your legs while the democrats laugh at you.”
I’m sorry your state sucks. But CA is far, far gone and I cannot imagine any sequence of steps that would bring it back to even just a little insane.
If you can imagine that, stay there and keep ordering the tide to go out.
South Texas makes a fine launching spot, you are closer to the equator than the Cape, and Texas sticks out just enough from Mexico you can launch due South and not be over Mexican territorial waters until you cross the karman line with your second stage. At that point you need no over flight permissions you just go since you are legally in space. Superheavy nearly hits that they stages at 70km the last few flights with the booster then doing a boost back in the opposite direction it only needs a few hundred km of the Gulf of Mexico to do it’s full boost and turn around. Starship then goes on and quickly cross 100km and out of terrestrial sovereignty even due South starship will be in space well before feet dry over Mexico on a polar mission. Going to Mars or any planet in solar orbit you need 23 degrees either North or South to be on the plane of the ecliptic from South Texas that’s over open water for 1000+km no need for any other inclinations to get to geosynchronous you launch due East and then do the GTO burn when crossing the equator in orbit then at apogee you do your plane change and circular burn Texas get you there with less Delta V than the Cape as it’s closer to the equator. Getting to the soon to be defunct ISS is possible if you launch towards Mississippi and get into space before running out of Gulf to fall into it’s just a matter of vertical vs horizontal thrust you can take extra gravity losses to go high and then fast vs a gravity turn trajectory.when you have 150 tonnes of payload using some of that for extra fuel is not a big deal. The only reason ISS is at 55 degrees is the Russians launch from way North when they splash the ISS we should put the next station at 23 degrees to be in line with escape trajectories and returning ones too. That makes South Texas perfect for those.
It would be a great time for Elon to make this VERY public, that he going to move out of California because of democrats.
The entire country would be listening
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