Posted on 04/26/2024 2:04:38 PM PDT by Twotone
There is no logically coherent alternative to the fact that God created everything. I’m not trying to upset you or to goad you into wanting to insult me. I’m only asking you to think logically.
Again.
Your religious belief that there is a god that does everything, except bad things, does not make you special. It provides you with no special rights. It doesn’t allow you to claim credit for all the good things, and distance you from bad things. And it’s not in the constitution.
You have no dominion over anyone else.
If the rights stated in our Constitution don’t come from God, then where do they come from?
For example, what is the origin of free speech? If you refuse this request, I’ll take it as an admission that you agree our freedom of speech comes from God.
You have an irrational, emotional need to say things like “you’re not special” and “you have no dominion over anyone else.”
It’s like telling a fish it can’t survive out of water. Why would anyone go to the trouble of doing such a thing?
But now you have to tell me, as I asked above, what is the origin of freedom of speech?
Lol.
If I don’t respond to your question, you win?
Are you 12?
I’ll answer though. The idea of free speech goes back to at least Ancient Greece. So maybe the god was Athena?
But if Athena gave us freedom of speech, then it wouldn’t be unalienable, so it couldn’t have been Athena.
And for your sake, I should point out that this isn’t a game of win/lose between you and me. It’s much bigger than that.
If you continue in your beliefs and end up in hell, I consider that a loss for me because I don’t want such a horrible thing to happen to you.
You appear to see the world through a very specific theistic prism, forcing everything through it.
It’s fine if it’s you living your life.
It’s not fine when you attempt to force that view on everyone else, including the people that composed the country’s founding documents. Especially when they expressly spoke and wrote against that view.
Ok. Now you can get lost with that patronizing bs. See how you think you’re special?
But there’s no thing more horrible than ending up in hell.
I’m not saying I like being insulted by posters here. But it’s really nothing, especially compared to the horrors of hell.
I truly hope you don’t go there.
“It’s not fine when you attempt to force that view on everyone else”
But then why do you assume the right to force yours on the majority of Americans, and on our founding fathers, all of whom know our rights come from God?
You seem to be avoiding the wording of our founding documents.
The word here is “unalienable.” Why would you want to run away from it?
How have I insulted you?
Unalienable isn’t a religious term.
You’re all over the place here.
You mean when they wrote “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” in our Declaration of Independence?
And then, many years later, you didn’t understand how this informs us that the rights in the Constitution are referring to the same unalienable rights?
And how the word “unalienable” means they couldn’t have been given by anyone other than God our Creator?
I don’t remember any insult from you.
A government absolutely has the right, even the duty, to not support beliefs that promotes actions and beliefs that contradict the common good.
Now I don’t think they should out right ban religions unless the “religion” actively promoted conducts that are illegal. But withholding public support should have a much lower criteria, and people can always fire the politician if they disagree.
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