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How Supporting Ukraine Is Revitalizing the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
csis ^ | 18-APRIL-2024 | Elizabeth Hoffman, Audrey Aldisert, Cynthia Cook, Gregory Sanders, and Shivani Vakharia

Posted on 04/21/2024 11:38:58 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

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To: JonPreston

>>>>Yet another reason why liberal foreigners don’t belong here

Hang it up

It’s an American expression that means to retire from a job or pursuit.

After a long and successful career, it’s time for me to hang it up.<<<<

Maybe Jim could do a FReepathon to raise money for interpreters.


101 posted on 04/21/2024 7:45:38 PM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: buwaya
The whole world was turning swords into ploughshares after 1991. The US too.

Even the US wasnt shooting off much ammo in its counterinsurgency wars.

The scrimping on spending is reflected in the defense budgets.

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

U.S. military spending/defense budget - % increase year-over-year

2021 ... $800.67B ... 3.48%
2020 ... $778.40B ... 3.72%
2019 ... $734.34B ... 3.43%
2018 ... $682.49B ... 3.31%
2017 ... $646.75B ... 3.31%
2016 ... $639.86B ... 3.41%
2015 ... $633.83B ... 3.48%
2014 ... $647.79B ... 3.70%
2013 ... $679.23B ... 4.05%
2012 ... $725.21B ... 4.48%
2011 ... $752.29B ... 4.84%
2010 ... $738.01B ... 4.92%
2009 ... $705.92B ... 4.89%
2008 ... $656.76B ... 4.46%
2007 ... $589.59B ... 4.08%
2006 ... $558.34B ... 4.04%
2005 ... $533.20B ... 4.09%
2004 ... $493.00B ... 4.02%
2003 ... $440.53B ... 3.83%
2002 ... $378.46B ... 3.45%
2001 ... $331.81B ... 3.12%
2000 ... $320.09B ... 3.11%
1999 ... $298.09B ... 3.09%
1998 ... $291.00B ... 3.20%
1997 ... $293.17B ... 3.41%
1996 ... $287.96B ... 3.56%
1995 ... $295.85B ... 3.86%
1994 ... $308.08B ... 4.22%
1993 ... $316.72B ... 4.60%
1992 ... $325.03B ... 4.97%

1991 ... $299.37B ... 4.88%
1990 ... $325.13B ... 5.61%
1989 ... $321.87B ... 5.87%
1988 ... $309.66B ... 6.07%
1987 ... $304.09B ... 6.42%
1986 ... $295.55B ... 6.63%
1985 ... $272.16B ... 6.45%
1984 ... $245.15B ... 6.24%
1983 ... $223.43B ... 6.32%
1982 ... $221.67B ... 6.81%
1981 ... $176.56B ... 5.65%
1980 ... $143.69B ... 5.15%
1979 ... $126.88B ... 4.95%
1978 ... $113.38B ... 4.94%
1977 ... $104.67B ... 5.16%

1976 ... $94.72B ... 5.19%
1975 ... $92.08B ... 5.62%
1974 ... $89.28B ... 5.95%
1973 ... $81.47B ... 5.89%
1972 ... $80.71B ... 6.52%
1971 ... $78.24B ... 6.94%
1970 ... $83.41B ... 8.03%
1969 ... $84.99B ... 8.63%
1968 ... $84.33B ... 9.27%
1967 ... $78.40B ... 9.42%
1966 ... $66.44B ... 8.44%
1965 ... $54.56B ... 7.59%
1964 ... $53.43B ... 8.05%
1963 ... $54.56B ... 8.83%
1962 ... $54.65B ... 9.33%
1961 ... $49.88B ... 9.16%
1960 ... $47.35B ... 8.99%

102 posted on 04/21/2024 8:03:18 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: buwaya

That rationale has proven to be a total failure and a complete waste of NATO arms and munitions. Wasting more on this hopeless neocon misadventure only kills tens of thousands more Ukes, loses hundreds if not thousands more square miles of Ukraine and burns up any more manufactured U.S. weaponry and munitions. The only “benefits” are a few hundred additional U.S. industrial jobs and more massive MIC profits.


103 posted on 04/21/2024 8:15:37 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: woodpusher

I think thats %GDP


104 posted on 04/21/2024 8:29:05 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: hardspunned

The munitions in question were made with certain targets in mind - that which the Ukes are shooting at.

There really isnt any other potential enemy within the shelf life of US stockpiles that would absorb such quantities of these particular weapons. No land wars in Asia, remember?


105 posted on 04/21/2024 8:32:14 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: SpeedyInTexas; All

I was told that Russia, along with China and Iran, were an Axis of Evil against America. With them helping Russia with stuff, there is no hope for Ukraine to outlast Russia in this War of Attrition.

Two Years And $113 Billion Later, D.C.’s ‘America Last’ Crew Has No Plan For Ending The Russia-Ukraine War

https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/19/two-years-and-113-billion-later-d-c-s-america-last-crew-has-no-plan-for-ending-the-russia-ukraine-war/


106 posted on 04/21/2024 8:44:57 PM PDT by Texan4Life
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To: buwaya
I think thats %GDP

Nope. Multiply the prior year's spending by year-over-year percentage increase given for the next year.

The 2020 figure is 734.34 x 1.06 = 778.4004

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2021 was $800.67B, a 2.86% increase from 2020.

U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2020 was $778.40B, a 6% increase from 2019.

U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2019 was $734.34B, a 7.6% increase from 2018.

U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2018 was $682.49B, a 5.53% increase from 2017.


107 posted on 04/21/2024 9:44:27 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

Ok got it. The % increase seems to track %GDP

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=US


108 posted on 04/21/2024 10:21:15 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: woodpusher; buwaya

Here is the increase.
U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2021 was $800.67B, a 2.86% increase from 2020.
U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2020 was $778.40B, a 6% increase from 2019.
U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2019 was $734.34B, a 7.6% increase from 2018.
U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2018 was $682.49B, a 5.53% increase from 2017.


Here is your chart showing what % of the GDP the defense budget was.

U.S. Military Spending/Defense Budget - Historical Data
Year Billions of US $ % of GDP
2021 $800.67B 3.48%
2020 $778.40B 3.72%
2019 $734.34B 3.43%
2018 $682.49B 3.31%
2017 $646.75B 3.31%
2016 $639.86B 3.41%
2015 $633.83B 3.48%
2014 $647.79B 3.70%
2013 $679.23B 4.05%
2012 $725.21B 4.48%
2011 $752.29B 4.84%
2010 $738.01B 4.92%
2009 $705.92B 4.89%
2008 $656.76B 4.46%
2007 $589.59B 4.08%
2006 $558.34B 4.04%
2005 $533.20B 4.09%
2004 $493.00B 4.02%
2003 $440.53B 3.83%
2002 $378.46B 3.45%
2001 $331.81B 3.12%
2000 $320.09B 3.11%
1999 $298.09B 3.09%
1998 $291.00B 3.20%
1997 $293.17B 3.41%
1996 $287.96B 3.56%
1995 $295.85B 3.86%
1994 $308.08B 4.22%
1993 $316.72B 4.60%
1992 $325.03B 4.97%
1991 $299.37B 4.88%
1990 $325.13B 5.61%
1989 $321.87B 5.87%
1988 $309.66B 6.07%
1987 $304.09B 6.42%
1986 $295.55B 6.63%
1985 $272.16B 6.45%
1984 $245.15B 6.24%
1983 $223.43B 6.32%
1982 $221.67B 6.81%
1981 $176.56B 5.65%
1980 $143.69B 5.15%
1979 $126.88B 4.95%
1978 $113.38B 4.94%
1977 $104.67B 5.16%
1976 $94.72B 5.19%
1975 $92.08B 5.62%
1974 $89.28B 5.95%
1973 $81.47B 5.89%
1972 $80.71B 6.52%
1971 $78.24B 6.94%
1970 $83.41B 8.03%
1969 $84.99B 8.63%
1968 $84.33B 9.27%
1967 $78.40B 9.42%
1966 $66.44B 8.44%
1965 $54.56B 7.59%
1964 $53.43B 8.05%
1963 $54.56B 8.83%
1962 $54.65B 9.33%
1961 $49.88B 9.16%
1960 $47.35B 8.99%


109 posted on 04/21/2024 10:31:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: woodpusher; All

I think they forgot the “minus sign” in some of those % #’s....1990—>1991 for example was a decrease(?). In any case the authors of this article and most of Congress it seems, has forgotten that the USA is bankrupt 10x over. Doesn’t matter if some of the foreign aid $$$ hemorrhage comes back to the US when you don’t have the $$$ to spend in the 1st place.


110 posted on 04/21/2024 10:36:58 PM PDT by Drago
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Henry Ford would fire the entire upper management, and some large parts of middle management, at THE ARSENAL OF WOKE:

Boeing
General Dynamix (pun intended)
Lockheed-Martin
Northrup-Grumman

At Willow Run, “650 B-24 Liberators rolled off the line every month by the end of 1944:”
https://www.thehenryford.org/artifact/229817/


111 posted on 04/21/2024 10:48:32 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: ansel12

Try arithmetic.


112 posted on 04/21/2024 11:49:56 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: buwaya; Drago; ansel12
Ok got it. The % increase seems to track %GDP

No, actually you were right. My bad.

In the introductory section atop the page, they presented the defense budget data and the % increase year-over-year for 2018-2021.

And then in their historical data chart that followed, they presented the same defense budget data accompanied by % not of year-over-year change but of GDP for 1960-2021.

The budget figures may not reflect supplementals.

113 posted on 04/22/2024 12:48:41 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

Got it, thanks....that is why all positive %’s.


114 posted on 04/22/2024 1:19:33 AM PDT by Drago
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To: buwaya

Ever hear of a place called Israel?

What about the BS narrative the neocons have been marching to for 2 1/2 years? You know, you’ve even preached it. When the Ukes collapse it’ll be Poland and the Baltics next. Within six months US troops will be fighting the Russians at the gates of Paris, Rome and Brussels. What the heck will they be able to defend Portugal with? C’mon man, get with the narrative.


115 posted on 04/22/2024 4:28:50 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

When the US truly backs someone there, it will be game over.

The USAF and the true commitment of NATO will unlock massive numbers of the best aircraft in the world, and all the SEAD capabilities the USAF has in its bag of tricks.

You saw one of the few ATACMS of the short range variant destroy an S400 SAM battery the other day. Using one of the couple of dozen ATACMS the US gave Ukraine. Now imagine 500 long range ATACMS. And thats just ATACMS. The US and NATO have a dozen systems designed for variations on that job, and thousands of aircraft to carry them.

And then it will be all “highway of death” back a few hundred miles, not a dog will move on their roads and rail.

All thats needed is someone to make a decision. And that is the US weakness, as it is led by a potted plant, and behind him are divided, bitter people who hate each other more than anything in the universe.


116 posted on 04/22/2024 5:07:30 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: tlozo; SpeedyInTexas; AdmSmith; PIF; blitz128; FtrPilot; BeauBo; Monterrosa-24; marcusmaximus; ...

Our government was listing all the military equipment we sent to Ukraine at the as new, or replacement cost. Recently this bookkeeping mistake has been corrected. Now the used or old equipment we are sending to Ukraine is being listed at the proper price for used or old depreciated equipment, so the cost of our aid to Ukraine has been reduced. Thus we are freshening up our military supplies with new models, which also have updated features. do we really want our capabilities to fall behind those of our enemies?

We have also saved the cost of decommissioning old items, as well as storage costs. For example we had large amounts of large shells filled with cluster bomblets. Ukraine has opened up these large cells, and now uses the bomblets with drones to combat enemy soldiers in the field. It would have been a lot of dangerous, expensive work for us to take these shells apart, remove the explosives from the bomblets, and neutralize the explosive contents. War is a terrible business, but Ukraine did not ask to be invaded, and Putin had even signed agreements with the US to protect Ukraine because they gave all their nukes to Russia as part of this agreement.

For a while it appeared that with the fall of the Soviet Union, we might have a chance for widespread peace. However the paranoia of Putin, who is so insecure he needs $200billion to feel personally safe, and the propaganda of Alexander Dugin that Russia should control all of Europe and most of the rest of the world has made that hope impossible. The mistaken view of Muslim terrorists that it is OK to practice Jihad against all unbelievers, has also taken an especially ugly direction. Apparently, their lack of complete education of their own religious writings (there is more than the Koran) means they do not know that their form of Jihad is for war, and should not be practiced against women, children, and the peaceful. Jihad can also mean the struggle to understand ones own motives and purpose and have nothing to do with warfare.


117 posted on 09/19/2024 8:23:36 AM PDT by gleeaikin ( Question authority as you provide links)
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To: Kazan; SpeedyInTexas

“UKRAINIANS MUST DIE so the US defense industry can thrive!”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ukrainians and Russians are dying because Putin became crazy sitting alone in self-inflicted isolation during the covid-period... He developed a kind of paranoia which then pushed his brain into the insane decision to attack a Christian european country.

Putin can make a phone-call right now, and end the illegal war he started. Putin needs 30 seconds doing this though. Does he have the time to do such time consuming deeds?


118 posted on 09/19/2024 2:12:02 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE
Russia's economy is thriving, growing more than four percent in the second quarter of this year.

It's liberated and incorporated the part of Ukraine that comprised 70-80% of Ukraine's GDP.

Meanwhile, France is hellhole that is falling apart, a country being destroyed by mass migration.

119 posted on 09/19/2024 4:31:57 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: SpeedyInTexas

These are the people who are trying to kill Trump. It’s all about those big war $’s and they see their gravy train coming to an end.


120 posted on 09/19/2024 4:49:18 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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