Posted on 04/09/2024 10:42:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
What will happen though is that when one if is convicted of a hate noncrime or a precrime, then the whole family will be indicted for other pseudocrimes too.
This is Maoist crap. Needs reversed immediately.
What part is analogous to giving the boy liquor? Many people have liquor in their house, in unlocked cabinets. Its illegal for children to consume it. Are parents liable when the kids steal it?
My question was to the poster who suggested sending black single parents to jail.
Did they charge and prosecute the kid as an adult? If the law treats him as an adult I don’t believe the law should treat the parents as if he was a child under their control.
Both the kid and the parents are expected to appeal.
but if they knew that kid was problematic and had psychological issues,
They bought him a gun and then were called into the school and told he was threatening to shoot up the school. And they did nothing.
The kid is going to spend a long time in prison.
“Are parents liable when the kids steal it?”
He didn’t steal it. It was bought for him by the parents, which is also a crime.
This is a very bad precedent.
The kid has been sentenced to life without parole.
If they "missed the obvious warning signs", on first pass, I certainly didn't see how that could stand up. I have not been actively following this case and didn't know the details well. I could just see the defense attorney saying:
"So. What exactly ARE the 'obvious warning signs'? My client is not an expert or authority on these kinds of things, how could they be expected to diagnose a mental illness?"
But, according to the article: "...At their trials, jurors heard testimony about how the parents went to the school the day of the shooting to discuss a violent drawing found on Ethan’s math assignment with officials. The pictures showed a gun, a bullet and a person bleeding with the words, “Blood everywhere,” and “The thoughts won’t stop — help me.” But James and Jennifer didn’t take Ethan, then 15, out of school that day, instead returning to work after the school gave them list of mental health services, according to trial testimony..."
That may not be an obvious warning sign to some, but I would think they would have taken him out of his school, verified the location of the handgun if he had it with him, and taken custody of it. I don't think that paragraph above is helpful to the parents, although the same day information and failure to take him out of school when they knew he had access to a handgun (which they had given him) is definitely harmful.
I don't have a problem with any kid being taught how to use firearms with safety and proficiency. I am one of those people who think anyone should be able to carry a firearm everywhere, even openly or slung over their shoulder. But with that comes the responsibility. I don't think the parents are going to get this overturned, even if I do think it is the gun-grabbers going at it for all they are worth.
I fully get why some people think it is unfair. It is one thing if it had been THEIR firearm left out for him to grab. That is No Good. The fact that they purchased the handgun for him made it even worse.
The only reason I would have stuck up for these people is the obvious big-bucks and political targeting by the Left. But after reading that article, if it is factual, I can't see putting a principle so dear to me (2nd Amendment rights) on the ideological block to defend their actions. I just can't.
I think the fact that we coddle the mentally ill as a society and institutionally should be partly to blame.
It opens the door to prosecute Whites with guns.
Some background info for folks:
“A former neighbor told the Detroit Free Press that, shortly after the family moved to Michigan a few years later, in 2014 and 2015, Crumbley’s parents Jennifer and James often left their son home alone and without a phone while frequenting bars in downtown Lake Orion. The neighbor became so concerned that she filed an anonymous complaint via phone to the state’s child protective services agency, but she did not know if any action was taken.[61] According to prosecutors, Crumbley’s only friend moved away at the end of October 2021, and the family dog died, causing him to become depressed. As early as March 2021, he started sending his mother “disturbing texts about his state of mind”, which included claims about “demons” and “ghosts” inside the home. He also reportedly videotaped himself torturing animals, made Molotov cocktails, and drew a sketch of himself committing a school shooting, which he also joked about with a friend via text message. At one point, Crumbley allegedly kept a baby bird’s head in a jar, which he later placed in a school bathroom. His parents allegedly never sought therapy for him after any of those incidents.[62][63]
A 9mm SIG Sauer SP 2022 semi-automatic handgun and at least two 15-round magazines were recovered from Crumbley at the time of his arrest, while a third magazine was found at the school. Bouchard said James Crumbley had purchased the gun under his own name from a local gun shop on Black Friday, four days prior to the shooting. Prosecutor Karen McDonald later said that Ethan Crumbley was with his father at the time of the purchase and that he posted about it on social media later that day. McDonald also said that Jennifer Crumbley referred to the gun as Ethan’s “new Christmas present” in a social media post.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_High_School_shooting
So if a mentally ill person kills someone, is everyone who did not get this person help liable for the crimes committed by the mentally ill person?
No, it does not. They bought the kid a gun - a straw purchase that is illegal. They provided ammo. He had a documented record of being mentally ill and potentially violent and had asked for counselling and his parents refused. The parents KNEW he was a threat to others and they provided the weapon.
NOTHING to do with trying to take guns away from white people!
Did the public school phychiaitrist insist the kid get mental health treatment?
Their involvement went WAY beyond “not getting him help”.
They weren't punished for that.
The school is being sued for their failures. I think they should face criminal prosecution as well.
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