House passes bill that could ban TikTok despite resistance from Trump

CNN ^ | Wed March 13, 2024 | Clare Foran, Brian Fung and Haley Talbot

[Openurmind]

I read the bill. They will financially break TikTok if they do not bend to their knees and bow to government control.

Do you actually think they will not twist it to use it against domestics pretty soon?

This is just the first step to like kind domestic control.

When have they NOT broken their own claims and abused these things? Seriously? You actually trust them? Then you are just a useful tool aiding their future breach of contract.

“They have used “elite capture” to compromise most of our political and corporate elites.”

If they did this to you is it their fault or yours for using it? Absolutely no one is forcing the elites or anyone else to use the app. The last thing we need is the government to be in the business of “intervention”.

[MinorityRepublican]

TikTok is not being banned. Read the bill.

They will go after Elon Musk next.

Then later we will be next on the list.

[kabar]

I read the bill. They will financially break TikTok if they do not bend to their knees and bow to government control.

That is not in the bill. TikTok must be separated from the CCP's Bytedance. Do you believe TikTok is controlled by the CCP and is used to gather data from and influence its users?

Do you actually think they will not twist it to use it against domestics pretty soon?

Peter Navarro Explains The Dangers Of Tik Tok And It's Influence

No. I also don't believe that cutting off aid to Ukraine will result in the Russians invading Poland. Nor did I subscribe to the Domino Theory that got us involved in Vietnam.

Raheem Kassam summarizes the Tiktok controversy in 90 seconds. 'This is exactly the concise bill that Republicans wanted in 2019.' What changed. Club for Growth and Jeff Yass are now buying support. The biggest lobbying effort in decades.

RAND PAUL CALLS FOR TIK TOK BAN WHILE DECEPTIVELY FAILING TO DISCLOSE THAT HE ACCEPTED $2.3 MILLION IN CAMPAIGN DONATIONS FROM TIK TOK’S LARGEST US INVESTOR, BILLIONAIRE JEFFREY YASS.

@RandPaul You are a POLITICAL PROSTITUTE. You are selling our country out to the highest bidder, in this case, the Chinese Communist Party. How come your statement against the ban on Tik Tok didn’t disclose the fact that @tiktok_us ’s largest US Investor Jeffrey Yass gave you $2.3 MILLION for your campaign in 2015? You are a LIAR and incredibly dishonest. Selling the country out to Chinese communist affiliated GOP mega donors simply because they donated to you. Shame on you! BAN TIK TOK!!!

If they did this to you is it their fault or yours for using it? Absolutely no one is forcing the elites or anyone else to use the app. The last thing we need is the government to be in the business of “intervention”.

In the world of espionage, practioners use the term “elite capture” to describe successful efforts to essentially buy off members of a country’s leadership. Although Lenin didn’t say it, “The capitalists will sell us the rope with which to hang them,” he did say something similar ending it with “they will work on the preparations of their own suicide. “

In his book, Red Handed, Peter Schweizer names names of who has been captured:

The Biden Crime Family,

At least 20 former US Senators or Congressmen have worked in recent years representing Chinese firms with ties to the military or intelligence services.

Mitch McConnell (father-in-law, sister-in-law)

Diane Feinstein (husband)

Eric Swalwell

Nancy Pelosi (son Paul Pelosi)

John Boehner Patton Boggs

Senator Tim Hutchinson (AK)

Ed Royce

John Breaux

Trent Lott

Cong Cliff Stearns

Lee Terry (Huawei)

David Vitter

Toby Moffet

John Podesta (brother Tony)

Charles Boustany

Beacon Global Strategies (Reines, Mike Allen, Panetta, Morell) hired by AMD to make case deal with China would not harm national security.

Silicon Valley

Apple (Cook)

Facebook (Zuckerberg)

Microsoft (Bill Gates)

Google (AI)

Intel

Cisco (Chambers) Tesla (Musk)

LinkedIn (Reid Hoffman)

Wall Street

Schwarzman (Blackstone) Breyer brother-in-law of McConnell and Elaine Chaoi sit on board of Blackstone Goldman Sachs (John Thornton)

Ray Dalio (Bridgewater—world’s largest hedge fund)

Diplomats

Kissinger

Albright

Plus scores of academics who receive hundreds of millions of dollars from the CCP.

Why do you think our criticism of China has been muted?

From FBI Website

“The greatest long-term threat to our nation’s information and intellectual property, and to our economic vitality, is the counterintelligence and economic espionage threat from China.”

FBI Director Christopher Wray

The counterintelligence and economic espionage efforts emanating from the government of China and the Chinese Communist Party are a grave threat to the economic well-being and democratic values of the United States. Confronting this threat is the FBI’s top counterintelligence priority.

To be clear, the adversary is not the Chinese people or people of Chinese descent or heritage. The threat comes from the programs and policies pursued by an authoritarian government.

The Chinese government is employing tactics that seek to influence lawmakers and public opinion to achieve policies that are more favorable to China.

At the same time, the Chinese government is seeking to become the world’s greatest superpower through predatory lending and business practices, systematic theft of intellectual property, and brazen cyber intrusions. China’s efforts target businesses, academic institutions, researchers, lawmakers, and the general public and will require a whole-of-society response. The government and the private sector must commit to working together to better understand and counter the threat.

[kabar]

In 2009, China banned the use of Twitter, as well as other external media sites such as Google, Facebook, WhatsApp and YouTube.

China’s version of TikTok is far different than what is available in the US. It is a propaganda tool for the CCP to encourage patriotism and nationalism in China.

Why should we allow the CCP to use TikTok in the US as a data collection tool and.an influencer of Chinese propaganda directed towards our children?

[Golden Eagle]

According to Raheem Kassam, the bill is exactly what Trump proposed.

You mean what Trump proposed 4 years ago, not where he stands now (after meeting with Tik Tok investors), right?

I support a bill that is focused on blocking Chinese control of social media companies in the US, period. Nothing else is Constitutional anyway. If Trump isn’t supporting that now, we have a major problem. I see Bannon and Kasam may be so far sticking to their anti-CCP guns, over Trump, but for how long considering their typical subservience to him.

[kabar]

Trump favors divestment, not banning TikTok, which is what the bill does.

[Golden Eagle]

Thanks, that’s probably the correct position, unless it can’t actually be severed, which would be difficult. Then it should be blocked.

[Openurmind]

Again...:

“If they did this to you is it their fault or yours for using it? Absolutely no one is forcing the elites or anyone else to use the app. The last thing we need is the government to be in the business of “intervention”.

Full stop... In all that you still did not address the reality of personal responsibility. You are just like the newer generations who try to blame others for shooting themselves in the foot.

[kabar]

You are missing the point. The Chinese are “capturing” our policymakers. They are deciding our future. Why do you think our response to China is so muted compared to the way we treat Russia?

The Chinese are committing genocide on the Uyghurs. They seized Tibet. They cracked down on Hong Kong in violation of a treaty. They float spy balloons over our country. They are allowed to purchase property in the US while we are not allowed to in China. They steal over$600 billion in intellectual property. They force technology transfers of US firms doing business in China. 330,000 Chinese attend US universities. Since October, 30,000 illegal aliens have crossed our Southern border.

Personal responsibility is not the issue. Our leadership is selling us down the river. Both parties. They are tools of the CCP.

[kabar]

PS: I forgot to add the use of bio warfare by China in the form of Covid. Over a million Americans died as a result and cost us trillions of dollars. No accountability for China and no reparations. Fauci and the rest of the bureaucracy tried to hide and downplay China’s involvement.

[Openurmind]

“You are missing the point. The Chinese are “capturing” our policymakers.”

And you are missing the true logical perspective. That is just a BS diversionary excuse to grow government control over the people and internet business. Irresponsible policymakers are willingly “capturing” themselves by signing into TikTok and got no one to blame but themselves.

If you turn off a light switch and stub your toe in the dark is it logical to outlaw light switches? Or punish who manufactured that light switch?

What you are advocating is using communist tactics to combat communism. You are obviously allowing yourself to be manipulated into supporting a wrong to cure a wrong. Two wrongs will never be a right. What they are doing right now to TikTok and soon the whole internet they learned from communist China...

[Openurmind]

Something else you forgot... China’s total communist control over the internet their “subjects” can participate with.

This resolution is the beginning of our very own total control over the internet. I which case China wins because this is exactly what they want our government to do to it’s own citizens.

[kabar]

@RepJamesComer is launching a government-wide investigation into the Chinese Communist Party’s ongoing efforts to target, influence, and infiltrate every sector and community in the United States, including but not limited to America’s education, agriculture, critical infrastructure, research, energy, business, space, and technology sectors.

In nine letters sent to federal agencies today, Chairman Comer emphasized how Congress has a responsibility to ensure the federal government is effectively using existing resources to combat the CCP’s influence operations and strengthen our homeland. The Committee is therefore seeking information regarding what steps are being taken to thwart the CCP’s political and economic warfare campaign.

In the coming weeks and months, Chairman Comer intends to call on more U.S. agencies to provide information on how they are combatting CCP warfare and will lead several hearings to address this national security threat.

And you are missing the true logical perspective. That is just a BS diversionary excuse to grow government control over the people and internet business. Irresponsible policymakers are willingly “capturing” themselves by signing into TikTok and got no one to blame but themselves.

LOL. They don't get "captured" by logging into TikTok. They get captured by money, sex, greed, etc. They are being bought and in some cases, blackmailed. The political, academic, and corporate elites don't use TikTok.

What you are advocating is using communist tactics to combat communism. You are obviously allowing yourself to be manipulated into supporting a wrong to cure a wrong. Two wrongs will never be a right. What they are doing right now to TikTok and soon the whole internet they learned from communist China...

How do you prevent the invasive impact of TikTok (read CCP) into our culture and body politic? TikTok has 170 million US subscribers, most of them the young who get most of their news and views from the ap. The CCP has direct access while they ban our social media. How stupid are we? DEid you support social media's censorship of Conservatives?

[kabar]

See my post #24.

The CCP controls its population. We have access to social media. If TikTok divests itself from Bytedance (CCP), it will have no problems.

[Openurmind]

“If TikTok divests itself from Bytedance (CCP), it will have no problems. “

And next it will be the FR and domestic domains who have to divest from their own private business domain and platform or have problems.

They cannot afford it and will have no options but to shut them down. Which is exactly what the underlying agenda and intentions truly are.

You really cannot understand that this is the first foot through the door of total internet control in this country? It is the beginning of indirect censorship and deplatforming of domains.

Are you so blind you would actually willingly chose domestic communism over foreign communism? What is the difference???

[kabar]

And next it will be the FR and domestic domains who have to divest from their own private business domain and platform or have problems.

Total speculation. The USG has been working already with social media to shut down speech. Zuckerberg interfered with the 2000 election, which was stolen. Twitter squashed the Hunter laptop story. Big Tech needs to be reined in. Silicon Valley has been captured by the Chinese.

Chinese leader Xi gets standing ovation at banquet with US executives

Chinese President Xi Jinping received a standing ovation Wednesday night as he took the stage to address a dinner with business executives at a summit of Indo-Pacific leaders in California.

In his address, Xi appeared open to cooperation with the U.S., telling the crowd, “We are in an era of challenges and changes. It is also an era of hope. The world needs China and the United States to work together for a better future,” according to an English language translation of his remarks from The Associated Press (AP).

“China has no intention to challenge the United States or unseat it,” he said, per AP’s translation. “Likewise, the United States should not bet against China, or interfere in China’s internal affairs.”

Those in attendance for the $2,000-per-plate dinner included Apple CEO Tim Cook, Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman and leaders from Pfizer, FedEx, Boeing and KKR, according to The Wall Street Journal. Tesla owner Elon Musk was at the VIP reception but did not stay for the dinner, according to CNBC, citing event organizers.

Gallagher is requesting that the event’s organizers — the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations and the U.S.-China Business Council — provide a full list of the individuals, companies and other entities that purchased tickets to the dinner as well as information on how those profits will be distributed between the event’s organizers and other entities.

The Wisconsin Republican is also asking for the names of those that paid a $40,000 fee to sit at the table with Xi, along with any steps the event organizers have taken to “defend human rights in China and to prevent the genocide of Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in Xinjiang.”

American CEOs serve China’s Xi a too-rich dessert

NEW YORK, Nov 16 (Reuters Breakingviews) - America’s corporate chieftains were thrilled to see China’s President Xi Jinping at Wednesday’s gala dinner in San Francisco. So thrilled that they gave him a standing ovation, according to Reuters. For Xi, knowing that big companies like Apple (AAPL.O), BlackRock (BLKN), and Blackstone (BXN) are supportive must be encouraging, especially if political tensions between China and the United States rise again. For President Joe Biden, this performative display might be harder to swallow. As chief executives Tim Cook, Larry Fink and Steve Schwarzman joined their peers and Chinese dignitaries, Xi noted that “China is a partner and friend of the United States.” Hedge fund titan Ray Dalio of Bridgewater said that he was “excited” to have this relationship with the Chinese president. On hearing Xi’s speech, the audience broke into applause more than 10 times, according to Chinese state media.

U.S. business leaders are not unpracticed at cozying up to Xi and his policies. Earlier this year Tesla (TSLA) boss Elon Musk advocated for China to have a seat at the table when discussing regulation around artificial intelligence. He has defended China’s stance on Taiwan, equating the self-governing island’s relationship with the People’s Republic to Hawaii’s position vis-à-vis the United States. Late last month, Apple’s Cook shook hands with Chinese Vice Premier Ding Xuexiang and committed to helping China develop its digital economy. America’s richest businessmen from Schwarzman to Starbucks' (SBUX) former leader Howard Schultz have gone to great lengths to show their support for the country.

You really cannot understand that this is the first foot through the door of total internet control in this country? It is the beginning of indirect censorship and deplatforming of domains. Are you so blind you would actually willingly chose domestic communism over foreign communism? What is the difference???

Do you deny that TikTok represents a national security threat? How should we address the threat?

Here are the countries that have bans on TikTok

[Fledermaus]

BS CNN reporting

[Openurmind]

“Total speculation.”

No it is not... It is absolutely predictable based on 200 years of real historical examples...

The freedom of speech was first and now threatened... Now the freedom of the press is at risk.

Funny thing about the Constitution... It is designed to protect the individual from the masses, government, and YOU...

Do you believe in the Constitution? Or are you like the Communists and think it is ok to dilute, contort, and compromise it?

[kabar]

Do you deny that TikTok represents a national security threat? How should we address the threat?

[Openurmind]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1768321191654166954