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Air Force wants to retire 250 aircraft as part of $188B FY25 budget request
Breaking Defense ^ | March 11, 2024 at 2:00 PM | Michael Marrow

Posted on 03/12/2024 3:21:55 AM PDT by Fish Speaker

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To: buwaya

I cannot figure out how on earth you can imply that the SAME BUNCH that not only has the US Southern Border WIDE OPEN but are literally FLYING IN Third World types by the millions...How can you try to imply that this bunch is capable of making military decisions that have anything at all to do with US National Interests.

Give it up, at least regarding the idea of scrapping planes in the middle of the LARGEST WAR since World War 2...that decision is literally UNDEFENDABLE, regardless of what you may think of Putin, or anyone else. For example, people on this site DID NOT go around trying to defend the IDIOCY of George W. Bush or Republican leaders in Congress when it came to the US Border...try it some time, if you cannot say something bad about this bunch of Overgrown Hippies running our military, then why you even here. Go back to Reddit or something.


61 posted on 03/12/2024 6:15:08 AM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Candor7

I am wondering if the AF as seen the battlefield in Ukraine and decided that the A10 would not survive the modern air space?


62 posted on 03/12/2024 6:21:55 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: Fish Speaker

To hell with Ukraine...Give all these airplanes to Israel. The Israeli Air Force is led by men, not boys dressed up in girl clothes, or AA generals.
The IAF can use these assets to continue the fight against the savages in Gaza, Iran...wherever the threat exists.
biden won’t lift a shaking finger to try to bring our hostages home, let real men do the job our sissified Air Force can’t do.


63 posted on 03/12/2024 6:22:38 AM PDT by AFret. (.)
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To: BobL

I have no idea what the US intends to do with these. The boneyard at Davis-Monthan probably. Maybe some to the ANG, as there are many squadrons there that fly F15/F16/A10 and even F22.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/309th_Aerospace_Maintenance_and_Regeneration_Group


64 posted on 03/12/2024 6:30:01 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: AFret.

Israel is also deploying F35s.


65 posted on 03/12/2024 6:31:06 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
Maybe land?

Something like this?

Remember the Doolitle raid didn't need to land on a carrier...

66 posted on 03/12/2024 6:45:25 AM PDT by null and void (There’s only one thing that’s for sure. Everyone on all sides a conflict will be happy to lie to you)
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To: Vermont Lt
“I am wondering if the AF as seen the battlefield in Ukraine and decided that the A10 would not survive the modern air space?”

Nothing will survive a lethal attack. Not the A-10 or the F-35 or the F-22. Not an Abrams tank; not a Patriot missile battery; not any helicopter.

Not a soldier. Not an aircraft carrier. Not an ICBM launch site.

That said, it doesn't mean these things are not essential.

The goal of the military is, first, prevent wars. Second, win those that get started. To win a military has to destroy the enemy at a rate the enemy can't sustain while taking losses at a rate it can sustain.

If used, A-10s will be at risk; so will every other weapon system.

67 posted on 03/12/2024 7:30:54 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Candor7

I never have understood how testicles can be rotted off without blood poisoning. The EMASCULATOR. Wonder what PETA thinks?


68 posted on 03/12/2024 7:45:36 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: Fish Speaker
Can't see how there are any 22's in excess after that mess in Florida. Always after the A-10s. 15E, never have enough? Net force reduction looking to me. How many being added?

Might be better to just get rid of everything. When our end comes maybe it would be better if it were just quick. The AF is so screwed up it may be mostly useless anyway.

69 posted on 03/12/2024 7:48:55 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: buwaya

Why isn’t this a huge story in the country?


I believe something similar in regards to all the Susan B Anthony dollars that nobody wanted. Nearly a billion of them were minted. What to do with them? Can’t destroy them, because there goes a billion dollars. So they have to store them decade after decade in secure facilities.


70 posted on 03/12/2024 7:55:20 AM PDT by hanamizu ( )
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To: buwaya
All of this stuff was intended for use vs the Russians in the first place. Thats why it existed.


All this stuff was intended for the defense of the United States. Russia has not been on our radar screen as a serious conventional military treat for 30 years.

71 posted on 03/12/2024 8:05:12 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: jeffersondem

Not to sound condescending, but your statement is self evident. In my post I was wondering if something has happened on the fields of Ukraine that make using the A10 more dangerous to fly—more susceptible to destruction—than has been deemed acceptable?

The US doesn’t use suicide missions as part of their doctrine.


72 posted on 03/12/2024 8:06:28 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: rdcbn1

There isnt a need for even 10% of the US military if it were only about defending the territory of the US.

Russia HAS been on the radar as a conventional threat. More potential than actual through the 1990s (how to deal with a messy civil war scenario say), much more so through the 2000s.

Thats why the US maintains 20 Army+National Guard divisions equipped for continental scale combat, plus reserve equipment for almost triple this force.


73 posted on 03/12/2024 8:12:55 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Vermont Lt

Manpads are ubiquitous in Ukraine, and neither side is trying to use their A10 equivalent SU25s in an overflight or direct fire role, with laser designator guided weapons (like the Mavericks standard on A10s).

The only sort of close air support or interdiction viable there is with long range standoff weapons. Or that low altitude popup tactic to barrage rocket pods.


74 posted on 03/12/2024 8:19:05 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Fish Speaker

No no no. If the military wants to save money, drop all of the DEI, woke indoctrination going on. That will save you money.


75 posted on 03/12/2024 8:44:58 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: Fish Speaker

airforce still trying to nuke the A-10s ... Congress should put an end to this perennial effort by transferring all A-10s and their funding to the Marines and Army ... the airforce doesn’t want them anyway ...


76 posted on 03/12/2024 9:33:10 AM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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To: Fish Speaker

The Air Force budget request will not even keep up with inflation, much less keeping up with anything else.


77 posted on 03/12/2024 9:55:58 AM PDT by Wuli (ena)
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To: Fish Speaker
Keep the F-22s and the A-10s, thank-you.

Give anything else to Ukraine only following a thorough, comprehensive, and public audit of every farthing and every molecule of equipment that we've sent to them; and, if there are any omissions or transgressions, deal's off.

78 posted on 03/12/2024 11:22:37 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: buwaya
The US is building about 250 NEW combat aircraft annually, including 150 F35’s.

With terrible F-35 in-commission rates, how many aircraft is that really?

79 posted on 03/12/2024 12:01:19 PM PDT by Gritty (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution. - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Gritty

55% for the F35
Which is better than the 50% for the F22

The rest of the non-stealth combat aircraft fleet is only a little better.


80 posted on 03/12/2024 1:40:13 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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