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Preview of Supreme Court bump stock case [Oral argument on Wed 2/28/24]
Reason ^ | 2/27/24 | DAVID KOPEL

Posted on 02/27/2024 9:57:58 PM PST by CFW

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I thought some Freepers might be interested in oral arguments on Wednesday in the bump stock ban case. So, I'm cuing up a thread for Freeper discussion.

The above article is from Reason. Another article is available at Scotusblog:

Bump-stock ban comes before Supreme Court

Cspan coverage of the oral argument will be available at the link below:

Cargill v. Garland

Program ID: 533774-1
Category: Public Affairs Event
Format: Judicial Proceeding
Location: Washington, District of Columbia, United States
Will Air:
Feb 28, 2024 | 10:00am EST | C-SPAN 1
Airing Details
Feb 28, 2024 | 10:00am EST | C-SPAN 1
Feb 28, 2024 | 10:00am EST | C-SPAN RADIO
Feb 28, 2024 | 9:00pm EST | C-SPAN 1
Feb 29, 2024 | 2:00am EST | C-SPAN 1

1 posted on 02/27/2024 9:57:58 PM PST by CFW
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To: CFW

Once again, because of what *one* person did, everybody else gets punished.


2 posted on 02/27/2024 11:46:42 PM PST by sauropod (Ne supra crepidam.)
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To: CFW
I understand this is not about bump stocks.

It is about the power of the regulatory state.
The life long deep state commies using the power to define and redefine words to scuttle the will of the people. Congress has abdicated their “law making” responsibility and must be forced to take it up once gain.

When power is in the hands of those who don't stand for election, then the system is broken.

3 posted on 02/27/2024 11:57:11 PM PST by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: sauropod

Yes. Two Administrations used administrative power - deep state power - to ban bump stocks and support the ban.


4 posted on 02/28/2024 12:01:53 AM PST by Fury
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To: CFW

Ah yes, one of Trump’s attacks on the 2nd Amendment opening the door to BATF’s ability to determine gun law ignoring Congress, the Constitution and precedent.

Did you know Trump did more in “gun control” than Obama?


5 posted on 02/28/2024 12:04:33 AM PST by Badboo (A fascist is the one who wants to take your guns. That's how it always starts.)
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To: Badboo

It’s not for Obama not trying.

I’ve read so many excuses by posters for what President Trump. Excuses like “bump stocks are stupid” to “the proposed ban was forced by Paul Ryan” ( my favorite).

President Trump needs to be educated where appropriate regarding 2nd Amendment issues. He first inclination on several occasions has been to support gun control.


6 posted on 02/28/2024 12:14:06 AM PST by Fury
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To: Badboo

I’m sure he didn’t mean to. The Deep State tricked him. 4D Chess!


7 posted on 02/28/2024 3:38:51 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: CFW
The Biden administration's SCOTUS brief in support of Trump's bump stock ban is out.

This footnote is the telling part:

ATF’s regulation and our opening brief inadvertently misstated the number of classification letters between 2008 and 2017 in which ATF had concluded that certain bump-stock devices did not enable a firearm to fire “automatically” and thus did not convert weapons into machineguns. See Gov’t Br. 8 (citing 83 Fed. Reg. at 66,517). Respondent correctly observes (Br. 7, 21) that the record includes 15 such classification letters.

Oops. We got it wrong 15 times before Trump set everyone straight about what the law actually says.

This is the best amicus brief at dispelling that notion IMO:

Brief amici curiae of Second Amendment Law Center, Second Amendment Defense and Education Coalition, Federal Firearms Licensees of Illinois, California Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., and Guns Save Life filed.

My view is that TeamR is ready to accept Trump's interpretation because Trump and TeamD will accept anything gungrabby, including Trump grabbing power they know he did not have, and both sides should be ashamed.
8 posted on 02/28/2024 3:42:20 AM PST by publiusF27
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To: Fury

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/977286489410240514


9 posted on 02/28/2024 3:49:54 AM PST by publiusF27
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To: sauropod
Some are punished more harshly than others. RW Arms, for example, handed over about a million dollars worth of inventory after Trump declared it illegal. It's like we don't have a fifth amendment at all.

Related:

Donald Trump Thinks Kelo-Style Eminent Domain is 'a wonderful thing'
10 posted on 02/28/2024 4:08:49 AM PST by publiusF27
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To: sauropod

ping for the start of the hearing.


11 posted on 02/28/2024 7:03:03 AM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: 1of10

Brian Fletcher, attorney for the government, thinks all guns are scary and no one should have one (except government officials). That much is obvious.

If bump stocks are going to be “banned” that should be done by Congress through legislation.


12 posted on 02/28/2024 7:16:58 AM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: sauropod

I think Gorsuch gets it based upon his questions. He inquires as to why after almost a century the bump stock is suddenly characterized as a machine gun by an administratively agency. He also believes if necessary it should be done by Congress.

Gorsuch brings up the fact that a half million people depended upon previous interpretations that the bump stock was NOT a machine gun and the change in the rule turns them into a federal felon.


13 posted on 02/28/2024 7:22:00 AM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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I wish judges were required to take in-depth firearms training classes so they would at least know the difference between a semiautomatic and automatic firearm.


14 posted on 02/28/2024 7:58:28 AM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: CFW

It sounds like even the conservatives aren’t really grasping the technical aspects, which is key to understanding the plain language of the statute. Who knows how it shakes out but I’m not getting a positive vibe from the questions asked.

Freegards


15 posted on 02/28/2024 8:13:40 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

The government’s attorney was good at sending the judges down rabbit holes that had little to do with the issue at hand.


16 posted on 02/28/2024 8:16:13 AM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: CFW

Sonya sounds ill. Cough.


17 posted on 02/28/2024 8:17:36 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: TornadoAlley3

“Sonya sounds ill. Cough.”


Her voice is rough and crackly. In my experience that is a sign that her blood glucose is too high. I don’t think her diabetes is being properly managed.


18 posted on 02/28/2024 8:22:54 AM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: CFW

Yup, seems to me they are getting into the weeds. Fingers crossed.

“I am altering my understanding of the statute, pray I don’t alter it any further...”

Freegards


19 posted on 02/28/2024 8:23:39 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: CFW

She needs to go on a Keto diet, at least until Biden is out of the office.


20 posted on 02/28/2024 8:25:02 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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