Hochul tells NY businesses not to fear about Trump verdict: ‘Nothing to worry about’

TheHill ^ | 02/18/2024

[joesbucks]

Im fine because he benefitted from cooked up financial records. Why aren’t you?

[kiryandil]

You're working at this like it's your job.

If you know what I mean...

[kiryandil]

Im fine because he benefitted from cooked up financial records.

You're fine because you're a Democrat political operative who lies about this issue to advance your agenda - despite the voluminous rebuttals from woodpusher and Political Junkie Too.

[joesbucks]

That’s fine with me. I’m glad you brought Laz back into the mix. He doing better?

[kiryandil]

You live on the Left Coast - contrary to your representations on the main board.

When did you move from Virginia?

[Lazamataz]

Delusional. An operative has a link. Not just thoughts. Like the link you provided the other day. Remember you said only operatives use the word disinformation when the quote came from the source link in the link you provided me? https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4224988/posts You’re an operative.

Wow, you are all over the map on this one.

You reference a thread in which I do not even appear.

You claim 'an operative has a link', whatever that is supposed to mean.

Further, I don't think I ever said that "only operatives use the word 'disinformation'."

Perhaps enough people are getting tired of your liberal Democrat ways that you are confusing people. You are building enemies by the day, I'm noticing.

I may just start calling for your outright banning, and this time, I may succeed.

To the moderators, take a close look at this guy. While he may be a long timer, he also serves to be nothing more than an anti-Trump troll. He embraces every media malfeasance against Trump (such as supporting the media misdirection of the term 'bombshell'); he embraces every prosecution malfeasance against Trump; he defends every opponent of Trump (both political and legal).

Our forum deserves better. Donald Trump deserves better.

[Lazamataz]

Forgot to say welcome back. Good to see you again.

In time, you may wish that I stopped ignoring you.

[kiryandil]

In 2016, other freeper NeverTrumpers were offered a chance to retire gracefully from the forum until such time as their bile against then-candidate Trump was no longer a distraction to the job of electing President Trump.

Perhaps this one could be convinced to cease with his Nicolle Wallace imitation for the duration.   

[Political Junkie Too]

Are you accusing me of misinformation? I provided you with the link to see for yourself.

What did I say? The FBI visited twice and Trump cooperated. They came to interview Trump and he cooperated. They came a second time and Trump turned over documents. They also asked him to strengthen his security and he complied.

Thirty minutes ago you didn't even know about the two FBI visits and now you're hurling accusations at me?

What you cited was the Trump team negotiating with the National Archives, not the FBI. You already know that the National Archives has no authority to classify document or to police the classification of documents.

Why couldn't you just say "Thank you for the information. I did not know about the two prior FBI visits."

But no, you had to try to poke me with NARA as if they had any authority over the President's actions and predated Trump's cooperation with the FBI.

-PJ

[Lazamataz]

In 2016, other freeper NeverTrumpers were offered a chance to retire gracefully from the forum until such time as their bile against then-candidate Trump was no longer a distraction to the job of electing President Trump. Perhaps this one could be convinced to cease with his Nicolle Wallace imitation for the duration.

Perhaps this is an option for 'joesbucks', but as you pointed out, this member tends to attack not only Trump, but ANY conservative politician, throughout his tenure here. Thus, he may just be a slightly-more-sophisticated version of a Liberal Troll.

Please show those links you compiled for the Admin's perusal.

[joesbucks]

I knew about the fbi visits. My question was why 2 and why that wasn’t all the files?

[joesbucks]

Apology. It was a kiryandil thread.

[joesbucks]

Virginia is a pretty diverse state. The southern & rural areas are deep red. Of course get toward the rural mountains and snake handling isn’t unheard of.

[woodpusher]

Jack Smith appears to need the help of your legal expertise to draft some jury instructions or his case may be tossed,

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.407.0.pdf

Case 9:23-cr-80101-AMC Document 407 Entered on FLSD Docket 03/18/2024

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
WEST PALM BEACH DIVISION
CASE NO. 23-80101-CR-CANNON

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,
v.
DONALD J. TRUMP,
WALTINE NAUTA, and
CARLOS DE OLIVEIRA,
Defendants.

_________________________/

ORDER REQUIRING PRELIMINARY PROPOSED JURY INSTRUCTIONS AND VERDICT FORMS ON COUNTS 1–32 ONLY

On or before April 2, 2024, Defendant Trump and the Special Counsel each shall file proposed jury instructions limited to the essential elements of the offenses charged in Counts 1 through 32 of the Superseding Indictment [ECF No. 85], along with proposed verdict forms forthose counts (general or special).¹ Moreover, understanding that juries are judges of the facts, not the law, the proposals shall take care to specify (in incorporated briefing as necessary) exactly what factual questions are reserved for the jury on Counts 1 through 32 in light of the recently argued motions to dismiss [ECF Nos. 325, 327].² With respect to the proposed language pertinent to the issue of “unauthorized possession” specifically, the parties must engage with the following

____________________________________
¹ Instructions beyond the substantive contours of Counts 1 through 32 are not part of this Order, contained. The standard twenty-page limit for memoranda of law does not apply to the ordered submissions.

² Deadline for final proposed jury instructions and verdict forms to be set by separate order

- - - - -

Case 9:23-cr-80101-AMC Document 407 Entered on FLSD Docket 03/18/2024

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CASE NO. 23-80101-CR-CANNON

competing scenarios and offer alternative draft text that assumes each scenario to be a correct formulation of the law to be issued to the jury, while reserving counterarguments.

(a) In a prosecution of a former president for allegedly retaining documents in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 793(e), a jury is permitted to examine a record retained by a former president in his/her personal possession at the end of his/her presidency and make a factual finding as to whether the government has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it is personal or presidential using the definitions set forth in the Presidential Records Act (PRA).³

(b) A president has sole authority under the PRA to categorize records as personal or presidential during his/her presidency. Neither a court nor a jury is permitted to make or review such a categorization decision. Although there is no formal means in the PRA by which a president is to make that categorization, an outgoing president’s decision to exclude what he/she considers to be personal records from presidential records transmitted to the National Archives and Records Administration constitutes a president’s categorization of those records as personal under the PRA.

DONE AND ORDERED in Chambers at Fort Pierce, Florida, this 18th day of March 2024.

/s/
_________________________
AILEEN M. CANNON
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

cc: counsel of record

__________________________________
³ Any separation of powers or immunity concerns shall be included in this discussion if relevant.

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[joesbucks]

I’m sure he and his team are quite capable of providing a proper reply.

[Political Junkie Too]

You already know the answer. First visit was the initial interview. Second visit was the follow-up interview. Third visit was the raid.

As for "all the documents," that was the dispute, right? President Trump said he had the right to those documents from the Presidential Records Act. Why should he turn anything over just because some FBI agents said so?

-PJ

[joesbucks]

He was asked by the National Archives beginning in May of 2021 to return the docs. It’s after being ignored that in June they notified Trump that they will refer the matter to the justice department if there is no compliance. It wasn’t until December that 12 boxes had been compiled for return. In January a total of 15 boxes were shipped to the archives. First shipment. Noting that there were gaps, the Archives finally refers the matter to the FBI in February, 2022. Also that same month Trump insists the “papers were given easily and without conflict and on a very friendly basis,” and adds, “It was a great honor to work with” the National Archives “to help formally preserve the Trump Legacy.” At the end of March, 2020 the FBI opens their investigation. In mid May, 2020, the grand jury issued a subpoena to turn over all classified documents and materials. In June of 22, more than a year after the initial request, FBI agents visit Mar-A-Lago to retrieve 38 documents. Seeing additional boxes and requesting to see them, they are explicitly prohibited from viewing the contents to ascertain if classified documents remained. All the while Trump maintains he’s an open book. In June, Trump is sent notice to secure the room where the documents were stored and secure all materials taken from the WH. In July, those materials were moved as seen on security video. In August the FBI raids and numerous docs are found causing the Justice Department to question the seriousness of Trumps legal team about the diligence of their search. In June, the grand jury returns an indictment.

My point all along is why did it take an FBI visit at all.

[Political Junkie Too]

It doesn't matter what the Archives asked him to do, he still disputed their authority to ask. He claimed the Presidential Records Act and acted accordingly.

Are you saying that NARA has authority over the President? The President wants SCOTUS to define the authority of the Presidential Records Act, not NARA, and is withholding from NARA until SCOTUS rules.

Why do you have a problem with Americans taking advantage of their due process rights?

-PJ

[joesbucks]

He didn’t do that until after the FBI raid. Remember, it was an easy peasy transfer and he was an open book prior to the raid.

[kiryandil]

Please show those links you compiled for the Admin's perusal.

“freeper” joesbucks, in action:

bashing on Sarah Palin, 2010

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2550618/posts?page=9#9

bashing on Rudy Giuliani [July 2023]

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4170730/posts?page=16#16

bashing on Marjorie Taylor Greene [she has pictures of naked Hunter Biden for “sexual purposes”, according to joesbucks, July 2023]

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4169118/posts?page=12#12

Bashing on President Trump and Mike Lindell [August 2023]

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4175351/posts?page=16#16

bashing on Lauren Boebert [the theater date “scandal”, September 2023]

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4182885/posts?page=37#37
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4182885/posts?page=39#39
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4182885/posts?page=41#41

Calling Jim Jordan “Gym Jordan” [many times], a favorite Democrat attack, referring to the Strauss scandal at Ohio State.

And of course, “joesbucks” has singled out Kari Lake for his “special attention” more than once.

I also checked, and he’s attacked Michelle Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Delay and Newt Gingrich in the past.