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Tri-State Closing Arizona, Colorado Coal Plants Early, Investing in More Renewables
Power Magazine ^ | December 2, 2023 | Darrell Proctor

Posted on 12/04/2023 12:27:21 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Ask the Europeans and UK how that effort has worked out for them.


21 posted on 12/04/2023 1:13:29 PM PST by antidemoncrat
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Yes, that is why goal and gas need to be continuously run, even if at modest levels assuming solar can be made somewhat successful. You can’t just switch them off and on whenever you need them. They need to keep running much like oil rigs in Siberia. They can’t stop them in winter regardless of the price of oil because they will just freeze up. They have to pump all winter or risk being frozen up or damaged.


22 posted on 12/04/2023 1:14:39 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine
It makes perfect sense to put solar panels on buildings - as many as possible - to power individual homes and feed the neighborhood too as possible.

Keep in mind that I have 64 solar panels for my 2,300 sq ft home. And it provides 80% of all the power I need year round (less in the winter, more in the summer). Now it's an all-electric home, and that includes charging our EV to drive 1,300 miles per month (the charging done at home, not counting when we charge it away from home on trips). Providing me with 80% of all of that ain't shabby -- but it's still a long way from 100%. And that's just for one family.

There's simply not enough roof space on most businesses to come close to 20% of their power need. Why should they bother going through all of that just to save 5% or 10% on their power bill?

23 posted on 12/04/2023 1:18:27 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Rolling blackout are so fabulous. So you may not have electricity, what’s wrong with that? How did the cavemen live, try their lifestyle, you will like it.
Just ask John Kerry. He wants to shut down evil fossil fuels so he flies to many conferences to spread his vision. So why you may ask is John Kerry using fossil fuels to travel about. Why doesn’t he live by the rules he sets for us? Why why why?


24 posted on 12/04/2023 1:18:33 PM PST by Yolanda (Jussie Smollett hoax )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

.......sadly, add Virginia to the mix; both houses of the Commonwealth’s General Assembly are now in Democrat hands, and the next governor’s race will quite likely see another Democrat elected...Richmond is a big city, the Commonwealth’s capital, and is a college town of sorts, too...and quite liberal...


25 posted on 12/04/2023 1:19:20 PM PST by TokarevM57
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To: caver

“Isn’t Colorado full of libs? Maybe they need to be thinking of where their power is coming from in 5 years.”

It didn’t used to be but the coastal parasites have moved in. I knew my town was doomed when they started opening yoga and Tai Chi studios and when the council started pushing ‘Affordable Housing’.


26 posted on 12/04/2023 1:20:26 PM PST by dljordan
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To: ducttape45

Who are the idiots?

I don’t see idiots.

I see evil, destructive domestic enemies of The Republic.


27 posted on 12/04/2023 1:21:10 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; Saint Athanasius
Are there NO people with courage at any of these companies

If there were any they would have been fired long ago.

28 posted on 12/04/2023 1:22:39 PM PST by rhinohunter (Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
...to take advantage of funding from the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture’s $9.7 billion Empowering Enslaving Rural America program, part of the Biden administration’s Inflation Reduction Act. [Fixed it.]
29 posted on 12/04/2023 1:43:01 PM PST by Common Sense 101
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Stupidity on display.


30 posted on 12/04/2023 1:47:49 PM PST by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: Tell It Right
There's simply not enough roof space on most businesses to come close to 20% of their power need. Why should they bother going through all of that just to save 5% or 10% on their power bill?

They shouldn't and they won't as it doesn't make economic sense in most cases, though, some of the large warehouse might generate more from their flat roofs than they need inside - factories, probably not, small business probably not. Though they just built and In-n-Out burger near my office that has a solar panel "shade" that feeds into the restaurant and also the car chargers in their parking lot. If you're going to do it, do it as best as you can and again surface area is the key to it all.

But if taxpayers are putting $10 billion into it via subsidies (like we have a choice lol), it makes more sense to install the panels as close to the demand as possible. That would help make up the 20% shortfall you are experiencing in terms of capacity vs usage if it were fed back into the grid.

Curious, do you have on-site battery storage as well?

31 posted on 12/04/2023 2:01:07 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine
Yes. I have 92kWh of onsite battery storage, 20kW of solar panel production, and 18kW of continuous inverter capacity.

But equally important is making my home more energy efficient: caulk sealing cracks, gaskets around doors, replace my old AC and natural gas furnace with a variable speed heat pump (with heat strips for the few days it's too cold for the heat pump), and replaced my natural gas water heater with a hybrid water heater (runs at only 300W with a built-in heat pump that I make even more efficient by ducting to its air intake warm air from the attic, and during the warm months I duct the cold air from the water heater into an air intake of my central HVAC so that the cold air the water heater creates helps cool the home).

IMHO all of the other stuff should be done whether or not one goes solar (except maybe getting rid of natural gas appliances altogether like I did since my natural gas isn't free but electricity is mostly free).

32 posted on 12/04/2023 2:12:10 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; MileHi; dynachrome; backspace; Balata; bboop; Ben Dover; Benito Cereno; BigEdLB; ..

Colorado Ping ( Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list.)


33 posted on 12/04/2023 2:17:24 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

ping


34 posted on 12/04/2023 2:17:54 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I knew people who worked on the Craig plant in construction! Also the Page AZ plants and Farminton (Waterflow) plants!

I guess our plant here in the Ozarks will be next.


35 posted on 12/04/2023 2:28:41 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: MileHi

Schutz Polis ’s priorities to keep his husband happy - introduction of huge Canadian exotic, not native wolf packs , wolverines — worse than badgers.. sage-grouse..

Kills family ranchers, farmers, outfitters, guide services, family motels, restaurants..


36 posted on 12/04/2023 2:30:01 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Springerville AZ to be shut down? The economic hit on those small towns will be bad!


37 posted on 12/04/2023 2:32:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I was in the utility boiler business when they were being built. I worked on a large coal-fired industrial boiler in Snowflake, AZ and lived in Pinetop, not far from Springerville.

It really hurts to see all these perfectly good plants being shut down prematurely with now viable replacement options.


38 posted on 12/04/2023 2:40:18 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: george76

It’s almost like it’s all on purpose.


39 posted on 12/04/2023 2:44:34 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: george76

So the green movement started with virtue signaling leftist “going green”. I wonder if the opposite might be possible by not buying green - refusal of green energy sources.


40 posted on 12/04/2023 2:47:06 PM PST by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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