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Virginia doctor, Siavash Sobhani, who was born in US loses his CITIZENSHIP after applying for new passport
https://www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | Nov 26, 2023 | By Laura Parnaby For Dailymail.Com

Posted on 11/28/2023 7:38:54 AM PST by 11th_VA

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To: Fido969
Born OR Naturalized. He was BORN in the United States, so he doesn't need to be naturalized. He's a citizen, (unless renounced) period.

Uh, except in the case of this fellow, because of the diplomatic thing.

41 posted on 11/28/2023 9:58:43 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: IYAS9YAS

It was to separate status as a member of our polity from non-members thereof.

Chattel slavery denied citizenship to individuals having no cognizable connection to any other country than the U.S., as is made obvious by looking up through their particular family trees, if in fact that information was recorded and thereby available for review, certainly not always the case.

And that’s the story of the 14th Amendment, Charlie Brown! Embracing those people who are naturally ours, but whose parents were unnaturally, if arguably legitimately, excluded from our polity. It was for healing. It was never intended to form a basis for handing U.S. citizenship out like candy on Halloween. In fact, had the 14th Amendment been reasonably time-limited, it would have performed its intended function relatively flawlessly, with none of the downstream lunacy, chaos and societal damage we see today.


42 posted on 11/28/2023 10:06:16 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Fido969

Name the statute that addresses the citizenship status of individuals born in the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens.


43 posted on 11/28/2023 10:08:30 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Born of diplomats?

No, Harris' parents were foreign students who met in a U.S. territory. He later applied and matriculated as a U.S. citizen. Harris and her mother went to Canada instead.

The legal citizenship denial applied against Muslims is because they belong to an organization that advocates the overthrow of U.S., that of Islam.

44 posted on 11/28/2023 10:20:35 AM PST by RideForever (Damn, another dangling par .....)
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To: one guy in new jersey
8 CFR § 1101.3 Creation of record of lawful permanent resident status for person born under diplomatic status in the United States.

(a) Person born to foreign diplomat —

(1) Status of person. A person born in the United States to a foreign diplomatic officer accredited to the United States, as a matter of international law, is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. That person is not a United States citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. Such a person may be considered a lawful permanent resident at birth.

This is also codified in rules permitting children born of diplomats may receive permanent residency by virtue of birth, unless otherwise given up.

US vs Wong Kim Ak the Supreme Court rules that an individual born in the US to foreign, but non-diplomatic, parents would, in fact, be a US citizen by birth.

You, I'm sure you believe, have more legal authority than the US Supreme Court.

45 posted on 11/28/2023 10:28:25 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: one guy in new jersey
Name the statute that addresses the citizenship status of individuals born in the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens.

Stop being a dumbass. The 14th Amendment, which permits citizenship to individuals born in the US whose parents are not diplomats.

46 posted on 11/28/2023 10:31:57 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
“Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is right there in the text. Children of diplomats, during the time of the parents’ accreditation, are not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

Illegal aliens aren't subject to the jurisdiction either; if their home country wanted to draft them into military service, they could.

47 posted on 11/28/2023 10:33:59 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Fido969

I ask once again.

Please name or cite the U.S. statute (i.e., the statutory law, not a mere rule in the CFR, and not a Constitutional Law holding by an Article III judge) that addresses the citizenship status of individuals born in the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens.

We’ve already said our respective pieces on the case of unfortunate children born here of accredited diplomats.


48 posted on 11/28/2023 10:41:13 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: T.B. Yoits

+1!


49 posted on 11/28/2023 10:41:44 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Fido969

You’re being deliberately obtuse.

But This Guy will play your silly game.

Can you cite anything prior to the 14th Amendment?

That’s many score years to cover!


50 posted on 11/28/2023 10:44:24 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey

The 14th Amendment covers children born to US parents.


51 posted on 11/28/2023 10:56:18 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Fido969
US vs Wong Kim Ak the Supreme Court rules that an individual born in the US to foreign, but non-diplomatic, parents would, in fact, be a US citizen by birth.

... unless they belong to a group that advocates the overthrow of the U.S.A. Islamic Muslims are a contemporary example.

52 posted on 11/28/2023 10:58:02 AM PST by RideForever (Damn, another dangling par .....)
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To: one guy in new jersey
Can you cite anything prior to the 14th Amendment?

Why on earth would we need to cite superseded law?

53 posted on 11/28/2023 10:59:09 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: one guy in new jersey
It was never intended to form a basis for handing U.S. citizenship out like candy on Halloween. In fact, had the 14th Amendment been reasonably time-limited, it would have performed its intended function relatively flawlessly, with none of the downstream lunacy, chaos and societal damage we see today.

Ain't that the truth.

54 posted on 11/28/2023 11:00:24 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: RideForever
... unless they belong to a group that advocates the overthrow of the U.S.A. Islamic Muslims are a contemporary example.

Well, there's an interesting idea (if you are an idiot, that is).

So, you state that Islamic Muslims are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States". They'll be thrilled to hear that. They can now cite you as an authority.

55 posted on 11/28/2023 11:02:07 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Fido969

“The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments.”

And before July 9, 1868...what is your citation?

What U.S. statutory law prior to July 9, 1968 empowered individuals born in the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents to assert or claim U.S. citizenship?


56 posted on 11/28/2023 11:04:22 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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John Tyler was born to two U.S. citizens in Virginia during George Washington’s first term. He went on to become president himself. One of his grandsons, Harrison Ruffin Tyler, is still alive today. If Harrison were to research U.S. statutory law to try to find the legal basis for his grandfather’s claim of U.S. citizenship, which rendered him eligible to run for and assume the office of POTUS, what would he find?


57 posted on 11/28/2023 11:12:56 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey
Why would I need a cite before 1868?

Unless the nitwit I was arguing with was out of ideas, desperate, and grasping at straws.

58 posted on 11/28/2023 11:13:21 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Fido969

gaslight


59 posted on 11/28/2023 11:15:34 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Her parents were both here on student visas. She was born before the 5-year residency requirement to even begin the naturalization process had completed. I don't think they even had permanent residency status (green cards), which is required before the 5-year residency requirement can begin.

-PJ

60 posted on 11/28/2023 11:18:51 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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