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The Evidence that Convicts the CIA of the JFK Assassination
Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | 08/13/2023 | Jacob G. Hornberger

Posted on 08/13/2023 8:58:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: 1Old Pro

https://mises.org/library/ruses-war-american-interventionism-world-war-ii-john-b-quigley

Quigley, an authority on international law, examines around thirty cases, beginning with the Korean War and ending with Iraq, where the United States has used force. In each instance, he shows, the administration’s account has been blatantly false. Often, e.g., it is claimed that we must intervene to protect American citizens at risk in a foreign crisis; but it turns out that almost all of these Americans have left the scene before our expeditionary forces arrive. In our farcical invasion of Grenada in 1983, the administration maintained that it needed to protect American medical students from warring factions of the leftist party in power. The students had not been harmed; the administration “could not a present a logical explanation why the Grenadan government might take hostages”; and when the “rescue” force arrived, it ignored the students.

Quigley’s extensive survey of American policy is a most valuable resource for anyone interested in testing America’s foreign policy claims against the historical record.[3]


41 posted on 08/14/2023 8:01:42 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: Carriage Hill

The details which support such a position are a literal laundry list.

When I first became interested in the JFK assassination, it was the autopsy which interested me more than all the noise over Dealey Plaza itself.


42 posted on 08/14/2023 8:18:09 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

Years ago, I saw some autopsy pics online, but that’s about as far as I got. Do you have a link to the specific article(s) which opened your eyes?


43 posted on 08/14/2023 8:29:17 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Albion Wilde

“This kind of thing would be less possible to pull off today, when dozens of bystanders would be videoing with their phones, too many for the FIB to rapidly confiscate.”

Interesting comment—really deserves a thread of its own.

The censorship of the mass media, Youtube, Google, Facebook etal is one way the elites try to protect their evil acts.

They have at their disposal a massive brainwashing/propaganda effort—so anyone who tried to oppose the “official narrative” would be demonized as a “hater” “conspiracy theorists” “anti-democracy” etc etc etc.....

That would be enough to intimidate the vast majority of witnesses with cell phone evidence.

The NSA would have access to the name and address of every single person who was present at “the event” so they could track down any “rebels” who were not intimidated and use the many tools in the Deep State toolkit for further intimidation. As a last resort they could even murder folks who didn’t get the “message”.

Nothing is perfect—and in the end some information would leak—but most Freepers and others would probably not believe it at the end of the day. They would be parroting the official narrative and howling about “crazy conspiracies” just like everybody else.


44 posted on 08/14/2023 8:36:42 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SeekAndFind

45 posted on 08/14/2023 9:09:57 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . . ")
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To: Sirius Lee

During his Marine Corps service in December 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle), although in May 1959, he qualified as a marksman (a lower classification than that of sharpshooter). Military experts, after examining his records, characterized his firearms proficiency as “above average” and said he was, when compared to American civilian males of his age, “an excellent shot”.[61]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle


46 posted on 08/14/2023 9:21:53 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are plenty of skeptics here but I believe the Author, cover up of the assassination, and so is the Grassy knoll theory of second gunman.


47 posted on 08/14/2023 9:37:25 AM PDT by Rappini (Hope means coming in second.)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

See post 38.

He had an ironclad alibi.


48 posted on 08/14/2023 9:39:30 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have never followed the theories, but I knew something was wrong as soon as I saw the round nose bullet and saw the Italian cavalry carbine he was supposed to have used. Oswald trained on a Garand, so would never have chosen a war surplus bolt action. The round nose bullet goes back to early war surplus ammo and would be considered unreliable. An accomplished assassin would often hand load and would use a high quality spitzer. Quality match grade ammo would have had spitzer bullets.


49 posted on 08/14/2023 10:02:50 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have never followed the theories, but I knew something was wrong as soon as I saw the round nose bullet and saw the Italian cavalry carbine he was supposed to have used. Oswald trained on a Garand, so would never have chosen a war surplus bolt action. The round nose bullet goes back to early war surplus ammo and would be considered unreliable. An accomplished assassin would often hand load and would use a high quality spitzer. Quality match grade ammo would have had spitzer bullets.


50 posted on 08/14/2023 10:02:50 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Carriage Hill

When I was still on farcebook, I began a long article on the JFK matter...until farcebook’s algorithm blocked it for reasons unexplained.

Pasted below are notes I made and quotes taken from the cited book; I hope that helps.

I have quoted Matick’s JFK Assassination Paradoxes - Summary below. There are a number of problems with the evidence in the JFK investigation - including the evidential tree - and this completely-undermines the integrity of the WCR:
• “The following items have been altered: the autopsy skull X-rays (the White Patch and the 6.5 mm object), the autopsy photographs (e.g., the back of the head), many Oswald items, and the Zapruder film. If these changes had not been made—especially the posterior skull photographs—conspiracy would have been obvious to one and all. Therefore, the conspirators really had no choice: they could either let the data tell the truth—or else undertake a widespread cover-up. For them, the latter choice was inevitable. And they did succeed. After all, even though their work was not perfect, it was good enough that their deception succeeded for well over 50 years. In fact, it only needed to work for the first few years. It was only with the first public showing of the Zapruder film (March 6, 1975) by Robert Groden and Dick Gregory on the Geraldo Rivera show69— (“Goodnight America”) that the public became concerned. Now we know much, much more—thanks to legions of dedicated American citizens, mostly not on the federal payroll.
• In those early years, aside from the Oswald evidence, virtually no one challenged the authenticity of the other evidence. Even today, despite the overwhelming evidence for these deceptions, even many WC skeptics still cannot accept X-ray alteration. And even more WC skeptics still find Z-film alteration intolerable. But the logical reply to these skeptics is obvious: If you accept that set A of the evidence (e.g., the Oswald items) has been altered, why do you find it so difficult to believe that sets B, C, and D have also been altered? And, of course, the corollary is this: If you believe that the evidence is chaste and unadulterated, how then do you explain all of these paradoxes? After all, this disparate collection of evidence is surely the most prolific and profound of any murder case in history.”
I highly-recommend reading his analysis in full. Nearly all of the personnel interviewed recalled a wound which was NOT SUPPORTED by the autopsy photographs presented to the HSCA. Furthermore, closeup photos purported to be of JFK’s head showing an entrance would not only showed no such wound, but showed hair which looked washed, contrasting greatly with other photos of blood-mottled hair mixed with brain matter (see below).
The bullet, by the way - aka CE-399, ostensibly-responsible for JFK’s back & neck wound, plus Gov. Connally’s 5 wounds, including 2 broken bones, aka the magic bullet - is depicted below with a statement to the Warren Commission:
click to add a caption📷Left Center Right Remove

And below is a depiction of the test rounds:
click to add a caption📷Left Center Right Remove

Conveniently for the lone gunman theory, the pristine bullet - CE-399 - connected Oswald to the assassination with matching ballistics (it had been fired from Oswald’s Carcano rifle).
Contrasted with the recollection of witnesses, including Dr. Robert N. McClelland of Parkland Hospital:
Sketch by Dr. Robert McClelland depicting a hole near JFK’s ear📷Left Center Right Remove
Considering all of the evidence that the recovered skull fragments from the rear seat and floor of the limousine were “occipital” in nature, it is clear that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital missing a piece of his skull and that a “hole” was present. Other witness testimony stated that JFK’s head in the trauma room lay exposed to his cranial cavity. It was also observed that when the displayed scalp/skull flaps were returned to position, it was hard to tell that there was injury (other than all ht blood & brain matter in JFK’s hair).
From this source:
• “In reviewing a 1966 drawing by Robert N. McClelland, M.D., which depicts a large wound to the posterior skull (see drawing above.), Dr. Jones wrote on March 4, 1994 that the drawing “only indicates the skull involvement but not the true destruction of the skull and brain.” Nevertheless, he admitted that the drawing indicates the “general” location of the wound, “but certainly not with as defined edges as shown in this depiction.” Dr. Jones’ 1964 testimony describes “what appeared to be an exit wound in the posterior portion of the skull” (WCH 6, page 56). In 1983, he reportedly told author David Lifton, “[i]f they brought him in here today, I’d still say he was shot from the front” (Best Evidence, page 705). On August 10, 1992, Dr. Jones was asked to comment on the accuracy of the quote, and stated only that “it may have been taken a bit out of context.” He added that “given the set of circumstances as we saw that day, if they brought him in today, I would tend — seeing what I saw, I would say that he was shot from the front.” He qualified this statement by cautioning, “you’ve got to reconsider what you would say based on what’s been found out since. But circumstances as they were when you first saw him that day ... my assumption would be the same.””
The fact remains that aside from witness recollections of the fist-sized hole in the back of JFK’s head, we will never see any forensic evidence which conclusively disputes the Oswald/rear-to-front ballistic conclusion.
Furthermore, a researcher went back and interviewed all of those present for the JFK autopsy:
• “The results of the autopsy witness survey appear below. There are 32 witnesses mentioned here. I do not claim the list is neccessarily exhaustive, but it includes all the participants I could discover. All were present at the 22/11/63 JFK autopsy, most throughout, some for shorter periods. Of these 32, 11 provide no useful information one way or the other, leaving 21 who do. Of this 21, 16 provide statements that suggest there was in fact no entry wound to the head found at the autopsy proper. That’s 76%. Only 5 suggest there was. They are the 3 autopsists, who disagree amongst themselves on the nature of this supposed wound, plus Roy Kellerman & John Stringer. Of these 5, a full 100% claim the entry wound in the rear scalp was actually a little (a couple of cm) above the rear hairline, some 2” below the eop. On this, then, there is a surprising (and very interesting) unanimity.”
The location of an entry wound “2 inches below the EOP (depicted below) poses a major problem for the single bullet theory.
Regardless, if it is to be maintained that the entry wound was near the hairline, this also destroys the WCP, lending credence to the Mortal Error theory that a Secret Service agent in the trailing car accidentally fired a round from an AR-15, presenting a significant complication to the working premise that JFK was killed by a lone gunman, let alone Lee Harvey Oswald
Boswell makes clear in his interview with the HSCA that there was missing skull just about the base of the ear, just like that depicted in Dr. Robert McClelland’s drawing:
• “Q ...Now I’d like to ask you a question about what is underneath the scalp of what we are looking at now. Let’s take the marking that appears towards the hairline right at the base of the neck, or where the hairline meets the neck. If we take the point above that, where would you say that the scalp is or that the skull will be missing underneath the scalp that we can view there? A Probably right about here. Q So you’re— A Just about the base of the ear. Q So you’re pointing to approximately halfway up the ruler that we can observe and to the right of that small fragment, so the skull is missing— A Right.
• Q Just to try a different description, because we’re trying to put this into words where we’re looking at photographs, would it be fair to say—again, we are imagining President Kennedy is standing erect, although he’s lying down in this photograph. So with the ruler pointing up, would the portion as it would appear on this photograph to the left of his right ear all be the portion of the skull that was missing? A Yes. (Boswell ARRB)
• “Regarding the head wound, DR. BOSWELL said the wound was fairly low in the back of the head and that the bone was completely gone above the entry wound. He said that during the autopsy, a piece of skull fragment was brought in which included a portion which corresponded to the missing half of the entry wound in the head.” (HSCA interview Purdy, August 17, 1977).
Finally, it is universally-accepted that Jackie Kennedy was reaching across the trunk after the head shot to retrieve a piece of skull (which she later gave to doctors at Parkland Hospital, asking “Will this help?); the skull fragment could only have landed on the trunk if it came from the rear of his skull. The fragment - along with JFK’s brain - has curiously disappeared.


51 posted on 08/14/2023 12:41:14 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Responsibility2nd
There are too many people who would be directly harmed if the truth came out today.

You call yourself a truth loving patriot????

52 posted on 08/14/2023 12:43:06 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: cgbg

Really. Then I wonder why he murdered Officer Tippett.


53 posted on 08/16/2023 6:38:23 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

“I didn’t kill anyone. No sir.”

That was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

You were brainwashed by Deep State propaganda—endless hours of mass media telling you lies and more lies and more lies.

They lie now and they lied then.


54 posted on 08/16/2023 8:11:36 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: cgbg

You embarrass yourself by saying I am brainwashed. I have lost count of the number of books I’ve read on this topic, including the Warren report. Posner has the best of the fact based books. maybe you should unwash your brain a little bit


55 posted on 08/16/2023 1:51:48 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: SeekAndFind
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0O5WNzrZqIOVqSN9j_UGWW4Hac6c1el9

If you listen to NBC radio broadcast only. The red and white striped NBC radio videos. Information relayed so quickly it is curious.

Media was handed info from who each time?

Perhaps because media was different then, but those details came in so fast you didn't have a chance to doubt it. It was definitive book depository. Fried chicken meal, Russian wife. Police chief said no doubt about it, he's guilty. In a very short time with no tools of the trade like today's tech

56 posted on 08/17/2023 1:56:18 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: Responsibility2nd
There are too many people who would be directly harmed if the truth came out today.

Eh....and you are good with that.??

Sheet......How much BS..Biden has and his dumbass doings caused people harm...and loss of live. How many people lost their lives leaving Afghanistan????

I'd guess someone else...prolly the Gay Ex POTUS....is running the White Hut these days............Say,,why we don't hear about the dead Chef????

57 posted on 08/17/2023 2:09:12 PM PDT by Osage Orange
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To: aimhigh

BINGO!!!!!!!


58 posted on 08/17/2023 2:10:16 PM PDT by Osage Orange
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To: Carriage Hill

This is where I first read of this.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Evidence-Disguise-Deception-Assassination/dp/0881844381


59 posted on 08/17/2023 2:30:55 PM PDT by John W (W)
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To: John W

Thanks.


60 posted on 08/17/2023 5:21:52 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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