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Are EV sales declining? Electrifying the car market may be getting harder. Here's why
msn ^ | 05/08/2023 | Medora Lee

Posted on 05/09/2023 6:59:40 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: butlerweave
"EVs are a dead-end"

Within the limits of present technology, I would agree, but if someone builds an EV in the future with a 500 mile range for a reasonable price, and one which could be recharged in less than 10 minutes, then we're off to the races. We just need a Henry Ford of EVs, and that's not Elon Musk. This day will come, sooner or later, I am sure.

61 posted on 05/09/2023 9:46:54 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: aligncare

Originally there were two rationales for EVs:

1. clean up urban and suburban air. That was it. But ICE emission controls performance didn’t stand still and now the incremental improvement of urban and suburban air quality due to adoption of EVs is minimal, far less than originally projected.

2. utilities were looking for a way to utilize their existing surplus generating capacity at nighttime and improve their overall return on assets. This depended on fossil and nuclear plants, not on green fantasy windmills and solar cells.


62 posted on 05/09/2023 9:56:46 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else…)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I did some similar calculations a few years ago, andposted them here.

People simply have no concept of how much energy it take to perform some of the most basic functions in modern life, and likewise have no concept of how much energy is contained in a gallon of gas, v what comes out of a typical outlet.


63 posted on 05/09/2023 9:58:11 AM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

If I was entered in the Pike’s Peak Hill Climb, I might go with an EV because they don’t lose power in the thin mountain air like ICE engines. Since I live at about 200 feet above sea level, I will stick with my old beater.


64 posted on 05/09/2023 10:28:54 AM PDT by yawningotter
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To: qaz123

Typically longer.

The batteries are quite large, and take some infrastructure to swap out.

But not that long, if you remember to do it before the battery goes to 0.

I can do a propane tank in under 2 minutes. Batteries typically take about 10 to 15 (more checks involved).


65 posted on 05/09/2023 10:38:23 AM PDT by redgolum (We are not going to make it, are we. )
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To: beaversmom

I don’t get concerned with paying an extra thousand or two at Carmax, as opposed to answering someone’s for sale ad.

I get a quality used vehicle and a little higher purchase price is insignificant over several years of driving.


66 posted on 05/09/2023 10:42:47 AM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: Owen

I get your point but, sorry, can’t agree that metro ICE autos use little gasoline.

Urban areas are huge. Daily commuting or general traveling racks up hundreds of miles/week.

I’ve had several long-term jobs where I traveled 20+ miles each way. And moblie societies are just that, mobile. Very few people only buy groceries and run one or two errands/week.


67 posted on 05/09/2023 11:07:46 AM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: PUGACHEV

if, if, if...

Scotty (Star Trek) “And if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon.”


68 posted on 05/09/2023 11:23:27 AM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Exactly! The vast majority of cobalt is mined in Congo in mines owned by Chinese companies. The working conditions aren’t different from slavery. I will NEVER buy an EV.


69 posted on 05/09/2023 11:24:15 AM PDT by pelicandriver (Words are tools)
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To: Rowdyone

Westinghouse unveils small modular nuclear reactor

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/westinghouse-unveils-small-modular-nuclear-reactor-2023-05-04/

Small, 300MW, basic design easily situated anywhere. Even so, the time required for quality construction, passing regulatory hurdles and dealing with the nimbys will still be considerable.


70 posted on 05/09/2023 11:35:22 AM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: irishjuggler

“they’re too damned inconvenient compared to internal combustion vehicles. You can fill up in 5 minutes with gasoline or diesel”

I can fill up one car, two 5.25 gallon & 1 2.5 gallon containers in one quick trip. That fills my commuter, keeps Dear Wife’s van topped off, and provides for the lawn equipment for the week, or more. And I get to choose the place w/ the best price.


71 posted on 05/09/2023 11:48:20 AM PDT by JackFromTexas (- Not For Hire -)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I would never buy an EV, but I just bought an EM = an electric mower. It’s actually pretty good, but an extra battery is about $150 !


72 posted on 05/09/2023 11:51:26 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: irishjuggler

“Who needs that kind of crap?”

As Henry Ford supposedly said, “People just wanted a faster horse.”


73 posted on 05/09/2023 11:56:49 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

I have a John Deere rider and use a 16” electric for the trim work. If necessary, the 40v battery will mow the yard unless the grass is quite high, it just takes a while.


74 posted on 05/09/2023 12:02:29 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Even a minor bump would be near $50 K.


75 posted on 05/09/2023 12:07:31 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think
... I just bought an EM = an electric mower.

What brand? My daughter was insistent on getting an electric lawnmower, despite my saying gas mowers are best (more powerful and longer duration). I picked out a DeWalt mower with dual batteries and self-propelled. More expensive than the off-brands she was looking at. The reason I picked it is that the DeWalt batteries are compatible with my portable tools. DeWalt batteries are plentiful at stores, eBay, etc. I can borrow her high-capacity DeWalt batteries when she isn't using the mower. I also have a DeWalt adapter that allows me to use the batteries with other non-DeWalt power tools.

76 posted on 05/09/2023 12:09:03 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: GailA

The Hidden Costs of EVs: Ohio Man Gets $42,000 Repair Bill After Fender Bender in Electric Truck

The shop he sent his truck to “completely disassembled” the back of the truck, according to Apfelstadt, and discovered much more damage than previously thought based on exterior inspection alone — so much more that the “final bill” for his fender bender came to more than $42,000. Apfelstadt told Just The News the “at-fault driver’s insurance covered the entire repair bill” since her policy had a $50,000 cap.

Replacing the battery
The cost of replacing an electric car battery is significantly higher than replacing a battery in a gas-powered car. Whereas a battery for a gas car typically wouldn’t exceed a few hundred dollars, EV batteries can range anywhere from $5,000 to $22,000. ConsumerAffairs.com reports that replacement costs for older models like the 2014 Nissan Leaf or the 2014 Tesla Model S are a steep $13,500 and $17,269, respectively.
https://truthpress.com/news/the-hidden-costs-of-evs-ohio-man-gets-42000-repair-bill-after-fender-bender-in-electric-truck/


77 posted on 05/09/2023 12:23:42 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: roadcat

It’s from a company called Greenworks, I bought it from Amazon. It has a 21 inch cut. It’s self-propelled and quiet. The only downside is that you get about 30-40 minutes on a charge (I haven’t run it down, just gauging from the battery indicator) But it’s enough to do the patch of grass down at the road, and much easier getting it back up the hill. I figured I didn’t need an extra battery, (which has to be THEIR battery) because I’m ready to take a break after 30 minutes.

But my gas powered mower lasted 20+ years, which this probably won’t without multiple batteries.


78 posted on 05/09/2023 12:25:13 PM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: ChicagoConservative27
EVs are retarded, so of course some people are going to buy them.

The problem for the greenies and communists is that not everyone is retarded.

79 posted on 05/09/2023 12:28:11 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Carriage Hill

An ex-boss and good friend has an Audi e-Tron. I do have to admit that is one nice vehicle! The acceleration and handling are superb and the cabin is ultra-lux.


80 posted on 05/09/2023 12:29:48 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else…)
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