Posted on 02/28/2023 8:17:16 PM PST by george76
You can’t have it both ways. The US can be out of fight or claim that its goal is the Russian strategic defeat and blow pipelines.
Companies are relying much too much on cloud based critical infrastructure applications. It is driven by cost and efficiency but it is also very vulnerable and delicate.
Millions of corporate workers can longer perform basic functions for their jobs without the internet.
Internet outage essentially brings commerce to a halt nowadays.
Perhaps BLOWING UP Nordstream wasn’t such a great idea after all?
“Excuse me, but only the United States is allowed to mess with foreign pipelines and cables. So back off Russia and China, and know your place.”
Correct, Rule 49 of the Rules Based International Order (that the EU needs to keep reminding Russia of) is quite clear here, as it states:
Rule 49: “Pipeline modifications are permitted to be done by EU and NATO members as needed to ensure EU and NATO Cohesion”
In this case, the modifications carried out to Nordstream requires that Germany accede to US requirements that no ‘peace settlement’ take place in Ukraine until the Russian government is overthrown. Prior to the modifications, Germany was considering discussions with Russia to end the Ukraine War. With the modification now in place, Germany has no choice but to continue to support US policy. I believe that the EU High Court has extended this to communications cables as well.
“Going to be hard on China when Americans can’t buy all their crap on the internet.”
China has 1.6 billion people to buy their ‘crap’ and another 2 to 3 billion people who they don’t need undersea cables to communicate with. They’ll survive...just fine.
“The dumb is strong in this post.”
No kidding, and they REALLY DO WANT WAR. Sick people.
“Russia threatened all our coastal cities with that “nuclear torpedo” that would cause a tsunami”
Weren’t some of you guys claiming last week that Russian nukes don’t work and therefore a nuclear war is no big deal.
So which is it?
You probably think the Lusitania wasn’t carrying materiel also
Uh, this is bunk. EMP is a real concern, but the effects are way overplayed by some DC advisory panel queens looking for a huge payout for consultign contracts. We have actual real measurements on this from various exo-atmospheric tests. It's real. But one shot is not going to destroy everything electronic/electrical in the US. Even within the actual threat area, the effects are very heterogeneous. Was your computer shielded by the car in your garage. Was the cable run NS or EW? Are you in a basement? Are you in a steel frame or steel reinforced concrete building?
Starlink. Which is one of the reasons Russia and China have grumbled about it.
There was more than one mistake in the Iraq wars, but somebody on the US side knew that if we destroyed their financial infrastructure it would set a very dangerous precedent. The Biden gang is unable to see very far ahead.
My first thought as well .. not invulnerable, but an option.
How do we back up Starlink? Preprogrammed satellites ready to replace ones shot down? Planes carrying the equivalent data until new satellites can replace ones taken down?
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
And Germany can’t even complain. Become a member of NATO, and you become our vassal (well, there’s another word that starts with B, but I won’t go there).
Who’s your Daddy, Germany?
If some other country we didn’t like had blown up Nordstream, we’d be screaming “terrorism!”. Nuland publicly gloated about it on video.
Mayor Pete is more concerned about ‘racist roads’... it’s a strange world.
Some here might think China can't attack US satellites. But they really are serious about space tech, nanotech, etc. We would have been much better off in every way with Trump.
It wasn’t just Russia’s. Germany owned 49% of Nordstream. The cheap gas powered their industry. Now their industries (including giant BASF) are moving their plants to China:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4134435/posts?page=147#147
I’ve felt for some time - when sides are all chosen - that Germany, Iran, China, North Korea and Russia will be on the same side - along with a bunch of smaller countries. We’re not playing this hand well....
You're right.
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