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State of the EU address: 'Putin will fail and Europe will prevail'
dw.com ^ | September 14, 2022 | Ella Joyner

Posted on 09/14/2022 10:46:32 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: papercliprippa
You gonna just avoid the biolabs?

Er, no. In fact on multiple occasions I've talked about them very specifically. Here's an example: https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4092653/posts?page=41#41. I also did quite a bit of background research into what goes on in the 46 biolabs in Ukraine, and basically found a big fat mother-humper of a nothing burger.

The UK has over 600 biolabs. They have all sorts of nasties. Oddly enough, almost all are used for banal things like researching diseases. In fact, at one point only 8 were registered locations for “bioweapons” research and most of them were looking specifically at detection, diagnostics and treatments NOT at the creation of such substances.

Ukraine has 46 - far fewer than the UK. Maybe we can expect 2 at most to be of the level of bioweapons research. Even then, if even one of those was being used to develop biological weapons to target the nonexistent pure Russian genome, I’ll eat my hat.

Hands up how many people on Free Republic who've actually been in a biolab even once in their life and knows what one even looks like without googling.

I've worked in several biolabs, early in my career (not as a biochemist).
My job included risk management, safety monitoring and FMEAs.
I've been in Class 1 clean rooms, primate labs, animal testing labs.
I've also been involved in the design of safety-critical systems.

You know what the poster child is for biolab screw-ups? The Soviet Union! Bacillus anthracis release in Sverdlovsk, Soviet Union. Look it up.
Chernobyl still is the poster child for how to completely balls up the safety at a nuclear plant. Ooh, that one's also Soviet. Quel coincidence.

If you buy the Russian press on biolabs, consider this Kremlin theory from last April: THE CHINA VIRUS CAME FROM AMERICAN BIOLABS: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-04/28/c_139912021.htm How about you ask President Trump if that really was happening under his watch, before Biden.

Here, read something not shat out by QAnon and a bunch of gullible dim-bulbs sucking off a Russian propaganda feed: https://time.com/6162111/ukraine-lab-leaks-disinformation/

The ability to launch missiles from ukraine to moscow in minutes?

Theoretically. It was irrelevant as long as Ukraine had no WMDs.
We had that same debate with Tony Blair telling us Saddam could hit us with WMDs in under 45 minutes.
File under: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Another nothing-burger based on fantasy scenarios.

Funny how America claimed the right to destroy Cuba because it MIGHT have had the ability to launch nukes at Washington

Russia really was parking nukes and subs on America's doorstep. Ukraine hasn't even pointed a dummy rocket at Moscow in the entire duration of its independence. The only nukes Ukraine's sent to Moscow were sent by truck, in an inactive state, to a neighbor they thought was being serious when it signed the Budapest Memorandum.

Russia cannot do the same

Russia has every right to do the same... To a country that actually IS threatening it on an existential level. That country ain't Ukraine. Nonetheless, the world is full of communities of useful idiots who have talked each other into the mother of all ultra-paranoid self-perpetuating war delusions on this specific point.

Ukraine has NEVER had any WMDs of any kind aimed at Russia. Period. Ever.
NATO was never going to let Russia tell it who can and who can't join NATO. That one's in writing, check December 2021.
Nonetheless, NATO had no intention of letting Ukraine become a  member.
And NATO was never going to be stationing WMDs aimed at Russia in Ukraine, or the Baltic states. Period. Ever.

Putin knows this. Xi knows this. Zelenskyy knows this. The EU knows this. The US Government knows this.
Heck, even President Trump knows this.

121 posted on 09/15/2022 11:31:36 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdjOR2)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

STFU you cur dog neocon traitor


122 posted on 09/15/2022 12:21:03 PM PDT by Az Joe (Biden & ChiComs are the enemy, not Putin.)
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To: MalPearce

You can yak all you want, fact is Russia knows Ukraine, or somebody using Ukraine, was an existential crisis, otherwise why would Russia have taken this risky military operation? And why now, and not before? If Russia just wanted to invade, nothing was stopping it before


123 posted on 09/15/2022 12:33:34 PM PDT by papercliprippa
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To: Az Joe

Take your pill Putin Stooge traitor.


124 posted on 09/15/2022 1:11:05 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Take that dildo up your ass again cuck neocon


125 posted on 09/15/2022 3:11:23 PM PDT by Az Joe (Biden & ChiComs are the enemy, not Putin.)
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To: papercliprippa
otherwise why would Russia have taken this risky military operation?

Every time someone asks that, I wonder if they have been paying attention to anything in the last 25 years.



Ukraine was not, is not, and is never gonna be an existential threat to Russia, any more than the Channel Islands' somewhat pro-French dodgy tax haven status does, did or ever could present an existential threat to the United Kingdom.

In this world there are legions of outlandish claims, hundreds of seriously wild, implausible, "too good to be true" claims (Nigerian prince needs YOUR help with his millions, or London Bridge For Sale), and finally there are claims that are simply just so stupendously daft they cannot be anything but intergalactic scale uber-trolling. "Ukraine poses an existential threat to Russia" is in that category.

OF COURSE Russia's intelligence services and senior politicians never believed for one minute that it has EVER faced an existential threat from its little brother - a country that had no navy, had a tiny military, also was corrupt enough to be bribed at every level of government by rich Russians, was small town working class or agricultural for the most part, and had ALREADY surrendered all its nukes to Russia.

Putin was far more worried about the ultranationalist sharks circling around him and he knew his time was running out to do SOMETHING mad, bad and dangerous enough to stay in office long enough to see one more ex-Soviet Socialist Republic dragged back into vassal statehood before he croaks.
126 posted on 09/15/2022 3:51:30 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdjOR2)
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To: Az Joe

You are a disgusting Putin Stooge.


127 posted on 09/15/2022 7:52:09 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

homo

we all know it


128 posted on 09/15/2022 11:10:39 PM PDT by Az Joe (Biden & ChiComs are the enemy, not Putin.)
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To: Az Joe

Only Liberals claim “we all know it.”

Hours later and you are still a crybaby.


129 posted on 09/15/2022 11:14:25 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Aren’t you due back at the glory hole homo?


130 posted on 09/16/2022 7:24:56 AM PDT by Az Joe (Biden & ChiComs are the enemy, not Putin.)
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To: Az Joe

I don’t know what that is but you are a disgusting Putin Stooge not a Conservative.


131 posted on 09/16/2022 8:28:44 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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