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Top Texas cop admits cops botched Uvalde school response: ‘Wrong decision, period’
NY Post ^ | May 27, 2022 | Jack Morphet and Mark Lungariello

Posted on 05/27/2022 12:05:38 PM PDT by conservative98

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To: ETCM

This is a strong reason why some of the teachers should be armed. Responding police are running into chaos, in an unfamiliar environment/situation. It is why police end up shooting the wrong person far more often than concealed-carry folks do - the armed person being attacked is very clear on who the bad guy is from the very first instant.

Texas has a program for this written into their laws. This district chose not to use it.

https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._educ._code_section_37.0811


141 posted on 05/27/2022 3:56:52 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
This is a strong reason why some of the teachers should be armed.

Teachers and staff who are willing and able should be trained and armed. They should be allotted several hours of paid training each month to maintain proficiency. Just a few teachers per school could make a difference. Issue them a pistol, and for some have a secured rifle or shotgun available in the classroom. Law enforcement have proven that they will not rescue the kids.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018244745

142 posted on 05/27/2022 4:17:36 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: lepton

Oh I hadn’t heard that about the school. I was thinking if only the funeral home people who first saw him heading for the school had called to warn them. Maybe they did call the school in addition to calling 911.


143 posted on 05/27/2022 4:19:02 PM PDT by Riley85
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To: ETCM

The kids and teacher were shot when the boy first entered the building. From what I can tell by the time most of the police arrived, he had stopped shooting and had barricaded himself in a room of victims.

The cops didn’t bust in and shoot him finally until he fired on a child that had survived hidden until he called out for help.

Did the cops screw up, yes, even they said so. But again you are 2nd guessing after the fact. The cops had no way of knowing he had already shot everyone in that room. Maybe he was holding most of them hostage and they risked him shooting more of them if they burst in. They had no way of knowing beforehand he had already shot everyone in there that he thought was alive.

I don’t know, all I know is people are fallible, and it was a situation in flux.


144 posted on 05/27/2022 5:07:03 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: TexasFreeper2009

At the very minimum, they had to assume there were wounded children inside who desperately needed help or were hiding from the shooter, which was true. We know several children survived after being shot by “playing dead”, and another was shot when they told him to “yell if you need help”. How many others died while the police waited, we don’t yet know.

Yes, we are all “second guessing”. The problem is that the person who should have taken decisive action second guessed himself, and failed to act. I have a friend who is a former SRO and was involved in a campus shooting. Every time this happens, he can’t believe the cops still screw this up. They have trained Pre-Planned Responses for these situations to preclude poor decisions. Then they fail to follow those PPRs under stress.


145 posted on 05/27/2022 5:31:00 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: lepton
"The point is, that they are saying that they did *not* know they were still being killed. That they thought the shots were just to keep law enforcement away."

Given that some kids were STILL CALLING 911 FROM THE CLASSROOM puts paid to that meme. The cops screwed up totally. The only worse action is the dumbass teacher who propped the door open. Inexcusable in both cases.

146 posted on 05/27/2022 5:51:18 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: freeandfreezing
This article has a copy of the Texas training materials.
147 posted on 05/27/2022 6:12:29 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Riley85

I recall all of the windows around and in the doors when I went to school had chicken-wire in the glass. Simple, and much harder to break out.


148 posted on 05/27/2022 7:20:50 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Given that some kids were STILL CALLING 911 FROM THE CLASSROOM puts paid to that meme.


The police are not one homogenous blob. None of the children were calling the police on the scene. But yes, key members of the police definitely screwed up totally.


149 posted on 05/27/2022 7:24:20 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Given that some kids were STILL CALLING 911 FROM THE CLASSROOM puts paid to that meme.


The police are not one homogenous blob. None of the children were calling the police on the scene. But yes, key members of the police definitely screwed up totally.


150 posted on 05/27/2022 7:24:29 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
"None of the children were calling the police on the scene."

Irrelevant...if the communication between the cops and 911 operator is that bad then there is another part of the system that is badly broken and needs fixing.

151 posted on 05/28/2022 4:40:05 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If those police had Any personal honor their resignation papers would be on the mayor’s desk along with the badges and guns.


152 posted on 05/28/2022 5:24:36 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isnt free)
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To: lepton

Lest we forget - during that time, children were calling parents and even 911 and giving blow-by-blow accounts of the ongoing murder...


153 posted on 05/28/2022 7:15:20 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Irrelevant...if the communication between the cops and 911 operator is that bad then there is another part of the system that is badly broken and needs fixing.


It is not irrelevant. It is an entirely different argument. It is not enough to say that they failed, but instead we need to know *what* failed. Clearly not everyone in the entire set of police departments had the same information. And yes, it is also clear that multiple parts of this operation failed badly, and parts that should have corrected other parts didn’t happen.

Starting at the beginning of this line of argument was the assertion that the police on the scene had to know something because the children were calling someone else, which is not by itself a valid assertion.


154 posted on 05/28/2022 9:46:42 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Sorry. I disagree. The cops f*****d up at all levels, including 911.

But THE most egregious f****p was the stupidity of the teacher who LEFT THE DAMNED DOOR OPEN. And yet, the identity of THAT person is THE ONE THING that NOBODY is willing to state. His/her name should live in infamy as long as that town exists.


155 posted on 05/29/2022 5:41:01 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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