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EXCLUSIVE: Police Initially Lacked Ballistic Shield Needed to Reach Barricaded Texas School Shooter
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Posted on 05/27/2022 6:32:44 AM PDT by TigerClaws

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To: PerConPat

“I’m confident that somewhere in America, fire/emt and police personnel enter situations where instant death is a real possibility...on a routine basis.”

Correct. Usually large departments with extensive training to minimize, as much as is possible, the danger of instant death. Uvalde is a tiny department with many officers inexperienced in such scenarios.


161 posted on 05/27/2022 4:48:33 PM PDT by Pirate Ragnar (Hope coming from Florida)
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To: GreyHoundSailor

“Adapt, improvise and overcome.”

Yes, and it helps to have training to know how to do so.


162 posted on 05/27/2022 4:49:44 PM PDT by Pirate Ragnar (Hope coming from Florida)
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To: Karliner
"Where’s Walker Texas Ranger?"

They didn't need "ballistic shields," they needed "ballistic testicles.

163 posted on 05/27/2022 4:53:41 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: PerConPat
Curious that this sort of thing that had to be done routinely in Iraq and Afghanistan by US teenagers fresh out of training but it is now “unbelievable” to think US LEO’s with years, possibly decades, of active shooter training, should do it

What the point of all the active shooter training and body armor if all the cops are going to do is “secure the scene” stop other people desperately willing to do their job for them?

164 posted on 05/27/2022 5:13:14 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: Pirate Ragnar

If they aren’t farm kids, then I’d agree. Comes naturally to country kids who get responsibility at a young age.


165 posted on 05/27/2022 5:26:09 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor (LGBTQ - Let's Get Brandon To Quit)
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To: redcatcherb412

There was a shooting in Oregon at a community college. (Roseburg, 2015) A young military vet (kicked out of the army for smoking pot) blocked his classroom door with his body. The shooter shot him 7 times but he didn’t get in the room where there were more students.

Right at that time two detectives disregarding the rules drove up close to the building and got out without getting their vests or rifles before getting into the active zone.

The shooter saw them and a gunfight ensued with the detectives firing their pistols, and injured the shooter with one round. The shooter sat down on the floor, put his gun to his head and killed himself.

The Army vet hero, Chris Mintz, survived and fully recovered. Physically that is. Emotionally I’m not sure. I could only find an article a year after the shooting, and it said he visits the school often and thinks about his friends (10 of them) that died.

I couldn’t find anything more about him in more recent years. I hope he is doing well.

Oh - the shooter killed himself 8 minutes after the first 9-11 call was made. The two detectives (one car) were nearby. As they were driving in they figured they would be the first to arrive and they both agreed they were going to forego the SOP and they would just charge in.


166 posted on 05/27/2022 5:29:03 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: corkoman

not only did the border agents not have shields, per a report I listened to, the one border agent had to borrow the shotgun from the barber shop he was at....he rushed to the school...


167 posted on 05/27/2022 5:33:46 PM PDT by cherry (;)
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To: Pirate Ragnar

Yes...The situation overwhelmed them; and their leadership was not up to the challenge of inspiring them to go above and beyond, in a desperate situation.


168 posted on 05/27/2022 7:55:40 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground - Mencken)
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To: MNJohnnie

Absolutely...Without inspiring leadership, no amount of simulation and training can prepare a team to prevail in hostilities under dire circumstances.


169 posted on 05/27/2022 8:09:19 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground - Mencken)
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