Posted on 03/05/2022 4:11:56 PM PST by blam
Seems like Putin is doing everything possible to lose as much of his remaining support abroad as possible.
I think that would be the best outcome. Ukraine rejects joining NATO, Russia calls off the attack. Still, the Ukrainians themselves will have a lot of ill will for Russia, but if the Russians withdraw, that will fade.
As far as our government and NATO, does it even matter what the West says if these two agree to those terms?
They should tell everyone else it’s nunya.
Seriously, so what and who cares if the DNCMedia has a fit?
The Ukrainians and Russians are the only ones that matter. They know what’s happening. I don’t think the Ukrainians need to be told by our DNCMedia that they’re being invaded and attacked.
I much prefer the two sides (RU and UK) can work this out with what hardspunned suggests.
Actually, if there intent was to bomb civilians things would have been much worst. It’s easy to say but thr facts don’t show that they have been targeting civilians. Hashtagism is very destructive indeed.
Put yourself in the Russian position. NATO and the Warsaw Pact were balanced militarily before the Warsaw Pact collapsed. The nearest NATO tank was East Germany, Poland and Belarus away from the motherland. Now the Warsaw Pact nations that the Soviet Union murderously occupied and suppressed for 50 years are new virulently anti Russian NATO members. The Russians have never suffered any retribution for their murderous reign of terror. The history of the last 100 years shows in this area shows bloody retribution has been accomplished on an industrial level. Currently NATO outspends Russia 20-1 militarily, the nearest massive NATO unstoppable armored units will be on the border, 300 miles from Moscow. Putin and the Russians are cornered, guilty as hell, outgunned, desperate and alone. Putin and Russia are much more dangerous today, if pushed, than there were at the height of the Warsaw Pact.
After the Soviet Union’s murderous 50 year reign of terror over the poor Ukrainians, I don’t think their justified hatred of the Russians has or will ever fade.
What is interesting is that there are many in main part of Ukraine (not the heavy Soviet East) that miss the days of the USSR and unity with Russia. I have a friend that just earlier this year spent three weeks there and the family he visited with was very much that way and they were not alone. He was astounded at first and went into great depth to make sure he understood their longing for the lost regime and its stability.
Check, make that 70 year murderous reign of terror over Ukraine.
Germany made the lucrative Nordstream 2 deal with Russia, and Biden gave it the go-ahead. That doesn’t sound like anti-Russian psychosis.
More likely, Putin just smelled blood knowing we have a feckless President.
Russia started this war because we don’t have a cognizant President.
I’d venture that nearly every family in Ukraine had family members murdered or starved to death by the Soviets. What you are telling makes me wonder just how many Ukrainians might still have Nazi sympathies as Putin claimed. The Soviets murdered many times the number of Ukrainians that Hitler did.
Because the Soviets heavily subsidized many parts of the country especially for the arms industry and military, when that ended, they dried up like our Rust Belt, so it stands to reason that people in those areas have some nostalgia for the old days.
“Actually, if there intent was to bomb civilians things would have been much worst.
Perfect statement if you were blind.
The Russians are bombing civilians just like they did in Grozny. The scenes are on twitter, fb and media for all to see.
The Russians just aren’t good at war, but are great at state terror attacks.
What about Ukraine joining the EU? Elections free of outside interference? The desires of most ordinary Ukrainians for freedom and especially for a better life are what is at the root of this going back to well before Maidan. Until recently, most Ukrainians didn’t want to join NATO precisely because they didn’t think NATO would rescue them, if push came to shove. That course was seen as a provocation to Putin, too. But, the Ukes didn’t quite realize, IMO, why joining the EU or real independence or even getting closer to those goals would provoke increasing outright extreme hostility from Putin, leading to a massive invasion.
For the same reason (lack of support in Ukraine and possibly triggering Putin) NATO was NOT favorably inclined to bring in Ukraine. I can’t think of any country that has joined NATO that did not have the support, or at least acceptance, of the majority of it’s people. The last thing NATO has been interested in, historically, is a country where the response to a popular revolt could in turn bring in a Russian attack, requiring a NATO response. Buffers are much better.
That changed somewhat, but mostly because of Putin doing it to himself.
Maniacal? What’s maniacal about NATO is that they were not ready for this. Blinken claims we knew for some time Putin would invade. If that’s the case, NATO should have had every weapon the Ukrainians would need prepared for immediate delivery. Appeasement and weakness invariably leads to disaster.
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