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Posted on 01/15/2022 7:04:13 AM PST by MtnClimber
I tell greenie beanies if we build too many wind mills, the wind will slow down and change the climate.
Currently happening in Great Britain. New regs mandate that all new EVs have to be able to communicate with the smart meters also being mandated. The regs state that the supplier can curtail EV charging at any time so as to reduce demand on the grid. Can’t remember where I read it, maybe wattsupwiththat.
“Didn’t get the jab? We’ll shut down your car.”
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“I believe government’s around the world are seeking to cut the worlds population in half, at least.”
This^^^^^^^^^^^
This is the root goal and effort. Hypothermia is a real thing. Loss of lifesaving equipment in hospitals and at home are real things. Loss of food processing and stores are real things, Loss of transportation for food stuffs and medicines are real things. The list goes on and on.
Exactly.🙄
There are a few things to work out. Mining for the elements. Storage. Entropy. Corruption.
I have been an engineer in the petroleum industry for all of my adult life, 44 years now. Much of that time was spent in finance and economics. Engineering after all is the application of physical sciences to feasible economic ends.
What the author describes are scoping studies, a broad brush of work to as much detail as practical with an attempt to provide equal assumptions and accuracy to all of the alternatives so as to see which, if any, merits more work to develop. The wheat is separated from the chaff and then if there is any wheat it gets ground into flour so-to-speak.
Most options fall apart on cursory inspection. This fool hardy idea of carbon zero life as we know it needs to be forgotten in favor of something else like Thorium based and distributed electric power.
Even without all these calculations the author mentions the idea of carbon zero life via wind, solar and batteries is a failure if you require it to be economic and efficient. As for the economic assumptions, when did the cost of anything in enforced and massively increased demand ever come down in cost? No scoping study cost I have ever seen went down.
We have 1.2 billion killowats of installed electric generating capacity in a single system consisting of coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, solar and wind. It is complex but not nearly so complex as a zero carbon system would be. How many Texas winter of 2021 events are necessary to demonstrate the folly of solar and wind power? Answer, infinite numbers without good sense applied. How about Germany or Denmark where pollution went up when wind conversion went full swing because of all the spinning fossil power reserve that was needed to back-up periods of insufficient wind? Oh right, batteries will take up the slack. By-the-way, batteries mean you must also have a sufficient excess of power generated to charge them as well as meet base load demands.
Zero carbon requires MULTIPLE and nearly completely duplicate sources of power. By inspection, any fool should be able to see that such a system is vastly more costly and less reliable than the system we already have in place.
Sadly though this is not a debate of reason but reason attempting to sway emotion and hidden agendas of the zero carbon crowd who can only think with all they have, a heart instead of a brain.
Never mind that this issue is one of throwing away something that works to take a headlong rush down a dark tunnel that is probably just a dead end and for no good reason. Don’t look now but global temps are moderating. The world has been right here and worse many times before. It is the sun that controls our temperatures but having that argument with non-thinkers is also a waste of time.
Whole hog conversion to carbon zero is the same as scrapping your perfectly good IC car that does all you need for some expensive pie-in-the sky less capable alternative.
50 percent of the people you went to school with were in the lower half of the class, they still are. At least half of the other half were marginal thinkers at best.
We are doomed.
Yep.
Or shut off your SS/Pension.
What will it cost?
Only the United States of America, which is their goal.
Very good post.
It’s a question I ask on every EV-related thread.
What is the problem they are trying to solve with EVs?
Yes…if energy is sucked out of the atmosphere there is downstream effects…
What an interesting article... no surprise as Francis Menton has tackled related pieces of this puzzle that were also very interesting reads.
I suspect that what will happen is that we really will have massive electrical supply problems in the future (a future that is not that far off)... in fact, it seems inevitable. At the same time as there are moves afoot to shut down coal fired generators, there are similar efforts to curtail natural gas use (it isn’t just NY). Then there are announcements of EVs and the phase out of ICE. The idea that IUs (interruptible/unreliables of wind and solar) can make up the massive shortfall is a joke.... which then means that plans have to be cranked up very fast to build nuclear plants. It will be very interesting to see how quickly that can occur and I’m not aware that this is part of much public discussion at the moment... if we go back to an earlier era when nuclear plants were actually being built, they did not go up all that quickly mostly due to all the regulatory stuff that they needed to go through. One wonders how quickly they could be built today... .
“Including enough storage for months of winter weather?”
Transmission lines about 1000 miles long would be cheaper and will be used instead.
For houses about $2 trillion.
For cars about $2.25 trillion.
For industrial and commercials uses add in another $2 trillion.
Somewhat over $6 trillion would be the conversion cost.
Thanks for summarizing the lefty talking points for us. The conversion cost would be “$20,000” a house? You can't even install a new HVAC system in many houses for that price. And $15,000 a car? So you are going to replace your reliable gasoline powered car with a $15,000 golf cart? Your industrial estimate is actually even more outlandish! You are living in LaLa land Brian.
“ Or about $1.2 million per American - an obviously incorrect answer.”
Show us where it’s incorrect. Please do the math here.
Thanks,
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“What is the problem they are trying to solve with EVs?”
fuel economy
equivalences are shown:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Tesla2021.shtml
Thanks for the great reply. I am an electrical engineer, though in satellite communications systems, not power related. All I see in this zero carbon push is fear mongering and emotion. It appeals most to those who only want to tear down the existing system just for the sake of tearing it down.
“$20,000 a house? You can’t even install a new HVAC system in many houses for that price.”
I was quoted about $4,000 to replace my AC in July 2020.
“And $15,000 a car?”
That’s the price premium of an EV. A new ICE car might cost you $32,000 and a new EV might cost you $47,000.
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