Posted on 11/28/2021 4:03:14 PM PST by Aussiebabe
Why are you on an American political web site trying to spread communist propaganda?
What’s this Chinese cause you claim negates news from down under?
So? Just round up the Chinese invading the country and put then in Covid camps.
I am not spreading communist propaganda. I’m fighting it.
I’m not sure I understand your question.
What I’ve said is China is unhappy with Australia. This article illustrates part of the reason why. But only a small part of it.
For that reason, I believe China is spreading propaganda about Australia.
Does this mean all news from Australia is false. Of course not.
It just means some of it is.
And a lot of it is a mixture - truth at the core, but added spin to mislead people. That’s how most propaganda works - you start with the facts and twist them.
I will agree that we have plenty of people unjustly locked up and no one seems to care not even Republican leadership, and the FBI and Justice are nothing more than Democrat stooges.
Well, you can ask - as you just have.
Are the Aboriginals being force vaccinated or not?
Absolutely not. That is definitely not happening. If you've been told that, you have been lied to. Nobody is being force vaccinated. Not Aboriginals. Not anybody else.
Are citizens being locked down or not?
There are currently small lockdowns affecting a few hundred people in isolated communities that have a high rate of infection.
There have been mass lockdowns in Australia up until recently. Currently that isn't happening. It's unlikely to happen again.
Do they have detention centers or not?
There is one quarantine centre where less than a hundred people who have been moved from some of the isolated communities I've mentioned are currently being held. They are not there voluntarily, so you can say they are detained. But it's a very small number of people for a very specific reason. They will be returned home when they've tested negative for COVID over a fourteen day period.
Do you have mask mandates or not?
Yes. In some places. I think where I live has the strongest current restrictions. We have to wear mask when indoors in commercial premises, or on public transport. And they are required in schools as well.
There are genuine restrictions in parts of Australia that I believe it's perfectly reasonable to regard as wrong. Some of them I regard as wrong.
This doesn't mean that there hasn't also been a lot of exaggeration and misinformation on top of what is really happening.
Australian man arrested for escaping quarantine camp
Camp.
But, in this case, I don't think it's an unreasonable term, although I do think it gives a lot of people the impression the conditions are worse than they are.
This is what Howard Springs looks like:
This is what Binjari, one of the communities these people normally live in looks like.
I wouldn't leave a sick dog in Binjari. Let alone a sick human being.
And, for the record, I have been to both Howard Springs and Binjari.
Looks better than the FEMA trailers...sheet metal doesn’t outgas formaldehyde either....
No, he didn't. It's not the Prime Minister's decision. It's the decision of the Territory government's Chief Minister, and the Prime Minister cannot overrule it, because constitutionally it's a matter reserved to the Territory.
Australian citizens were beaten and pepper sprayed by your police officers
By state police officers, yes. State. Again, nothing to do with the Federal government that can't overrule the states on these matters. And while there were a couple of incidents where police were unjustified, in most cases, the police were simply defending themselves from attack. More police were injured than protesters. Police do have the right to use reasonable force in self defence.
So it comes down to 2 things: your Conservative Prime Minister is as weak and spineless as they come and isn’t willing to stand up to the tyrants that are in leadership in your territories....or....he’s perfectly ok with all of it.
You don't understand how Australia's constitution works. The Federal government doesn't 'outrank' the state or territory governments. It can't overrule their decisions.
Australia's constitution gives the Federal government jurisdiction over only those areas specifically outlined in the constitution. Anything else remains entirely in the control of the state governments. 'Public health' is one of those areas where the state governments have primacy. Law enforcement is another, except where it comes to federal law - which, as I say is constitutionally limited.
Yes, the Prime Minister is weak in this situation - but it's not because of his character or his will. It's because the constitution specifically makes the states the strong ones in these areas, and the federal government the weak one.
A lot of people seem to think because he's the Prime Minister, he can issue orders to the state Premiers. He can't. He doesn't have that power except in the very few areas the constitution allows it.
He does have slightly more power over the Territories but the High Court has dramatically limited that over time, as the Territories became self-governing, rather than Federally controlled.
Howard Springs is quite a nice place. Not saying I’d want to be forced to stay there, but at least it’s comfortable. And, importantly for the area, it has good airconditioning.
I live in a Moron state north of California so I stay home a lot but I am still free to come and go as I please, so far. Though I don’t hold out a lot of hope that we will stay free of further restraint as well as mandated vaccinations for long. My country is not nearly as free as it was when I was born 83 years ago, for that matter even 10 years ago.
1. Who controls your military? The Prime Minister or some clown in a territory. Under your statement what prevents a Chief Minister from deploying troops overseas.
Soldiers and Army Trucks
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has deployed 28 Australian Defense Force soldiers and several army trucks to the region. People are only allowed to leave their homes “for medical treatment, in case of emergency or as required by law.” Meanwhile, temperatures in the region soar to 104 degrees, causing power outages in many residents’ homes.
Maybe it’s just me but that reads like it says: Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison deployed the military.
2. And here’s the most important one…..The existence of Australia has no bearing on my life. I have zero intention of ever going there and do not have one single care in the world what happens there.
Did Aussiebabe reach out to you to jump in?
On a side note…I read your lengthy post the other day. You come across as one who got the shot, are terrified of COVID, don’t have a problem with any of the restrictions as long as they’re for the greater good.
I do not care about constitution or how your government runs.
It's complex. I'm a retired officer of the Australian Defence Force - specifically the Royal Australian Navy - so I do know how it works, but it is complex.
The ADF can be used in emergency situations to provide aid to the civil power. Yes, this does require the Federal government to agree to a request by the states to provide such aid, but once such aid is provided, the ADF personnel come under the authority of the state government and will follow police direction. This is to avoid a situation similar to martial law (that term doesn't exist in Australian law, but there are provisions for a similar situation under the constitution) where the military would be in charge of law enforcement.
2. And here’s the most important one…..The existence of Australia has no bearing on my life. I have zero intention of ever going there and do not have one single care in the world what happens there.
Then I wonder why you bother to comment.
Did Aussiebabe reach out to you to jump in?
No, she didn't.
On a side note…I read your lengthy post the other day. You come across as one who got the shot, are terrified of COVID, don’t have a problem with any of the restrictions as long as they’re for the greater good.
You're wrong on nearly all of that except the first part. Yes, I have been vaccination. No, I'm not at all frightened of COVID and I have massive problems with a lot of the restrictions in place in Australia.
I just don't think they need to be lied about to make them seem worse than they are. In fact, I think lying about them is moronic because it helps to muddy the waters about the actual real problems that are happening.
I am getting sick of ignorant people overseas lying about my country and making it harder for us actually to get the truth out about the real problems. Take a look at the laws that have just been passed in my state of Victoria yesterday and maybe you'll get some insight into why I'm not that worried about 3 dumb kids in the Northern Territory when my own state's government has just passed new laws that potentially allow for actual real imprisonment without trial just because the Premier declares there's a pandemic.
And those laws are the ones we actually managed to get watered down - what was going to pass last week was far worse.
It's been hard to get any attention focused on that because of American who have been spreading crap about things being worse than they are. and so these laws didn't look like anything new. This spreading of crap has helped the autocratic morons in some state governments getting away with it. I watched Americans celebrating because Gladys Berejiklian, the only state Premier who'd tried not to turn her state into a dictatorship having to resign - because they were too ill informed to understand the differences between her and Daniel Andrews who had locked down his state for 250 days.
People who do this are the enemies of freedom because you spread lies and propaganda that masks what really fucking going on.
That’s your Australia, right there Royal Australian Navy guy naturalman1975.
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1466651206244257792?t=G6t4lXuQ_9KxIONGBeys0g&s=07 ........... So, hottie Hayley is Negative for the covid virus. And she’s put in a camp surrounded by people that tested positive for the covid virus. Thereby increasing her chances of getting the covid virus, regardless of how severe it could be for her or if she has natural immunity from having it before. So, you’re forcibly putting folks that are negative in the mix with people that are positive and somehow that will reduce the number of cases. All this being done because NINE people tested positive.
And the fact that you have to try and spread the word via a Conservative website, based in the USA, and your Prime Minister isn’t saying anything like you and Aussiebabe, trying to describe that your island has turned into a prison, again, says all anyone needs say. Your Prime Minister, by not coming out and countering these tyrants is therefore complicit.
Where are the stories about how everyplace else in Australia is perfectly back to normal? Where are the stories about how Australian’s are living their lives like they were in 2019? Where are the stories about your PM publicly calling out the government officials in these territories for what they’re doing? There aren’t any. Why? Because the government has turned the place back into a prison. And your beloved and globalist PM is complicit in what is going on.
Where are the stories about your PM publicly calling out the government officials in these territories for what they’re doing? There aren’t any.
The Prime Minister has been doing this throughout the pandemic. The fact you haven't seen it just illustrates how you are being spoonfed biased information and nothing that contradicts the narrative that they are trying to get you to swallow.
As I said, there are. Just a selection of articles about this.
Coronavirus war of words continues between states and Morrison as Delta variant changes the rules
Melbourne Lockdown: Morrison can’t risk another brawl with Andrews
PM rejects Victorian Premier's call to put 'ring of steel' around Sydney
Widening rift between Dan and PM
Berejiklian and Andrews are right on vaccine mandates. Where’s Morrison? Too scared to act
The Prime Minister has been speaking out against oppressive overreach by state governments, particularly that of Daniel Andrews in Victoria, throughout the pandemic. This is despite most of the media attacking him for doing so (as I think some of the headlines show). If you haven't seen these stories that really does just say a lot about the fact you've been fed a very biased narrative.
There have been times he's been more conciliatory - that's because the only real power he has constitutionally in this case (where 'public health' powers are constitutionally with the state governments) is to negotiate, and negotiating can require being a bit nicer to people. Those negotiations have lead to us reopening far faster than people like Andrews would have liked - I think we'd still be in hard lockdown in Melbourne, if the PM hadn't got Andrews to agree to reopening standards based on vaccine numbers.
Of course....EVERYTHING IS CHINA AND RUSSIA.
What a phenomenal way to divert people’s attention.
Something bad happens. China’s fault. Russia’s fault. The one or two things that cannot be questioned.
Who’s being spoonfed.
AGAIN..................YOUR PRIME MINISTER SENT IN TROOPS TO REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THEIR HOMES SO THOSE PEOPLE, POSITIVE FOR COVID OR NOT, CAN FORCIBLY BE PUT IN QUARANTINE CAMP.
That’s it. Nothing more. Period. Ended. Over with.
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