Posted on 06/12/2021 10:43:52 PM PDT by Tipllub
No idea.
If you have COVID you are morally obligated to stay home.
And since both the WHO and the CDC claim that the vaccines do not stop the transmission of the virus,
Red herring. Nobody claims vaccines are 100% effective.
The vaccines are not meant to stop the spread of the virus.
That's not correct.
The chance of dying if you get covid is a minuscule .02% to begin with.
If an American gets COVID, mortality is about 1%. Your own chance of mortality may be much lower than that.
Maybe you missed my point. I am not getting this experimental vaccine for any other reason than I choose not to.
You don't need to give me a reason to not take the vaccine, becaue I don't care what your reason is, it's your business. I am simply here to post general facts that may or may not apply to any particular case.
There has not been one claim by Fauci, the WHO, the CDC or the NIH that has not been proven wrong in subsequent studies and that they have not flip-flopped on. So much for "facts".
This whole pandemic and the "facts" related to it have been manipulated by politicians and bureaucrats and can't be relied on for accuracy.
Fauci said in early spring of 2020 that no one needed to wear a mask. Then he changed his mind and said, yes, people need to wear a mask. And recently, he said it would be better to wear multiple masks. Which "fact" did you choose?
The CDC's own reporting reveals that 89% of all covid patients wore a mask all of the time or most of the time before being diagnosed. That means the masks are not protective against contracting the virus. Less people (11%) were diagnosed after not wearing the masks or wearing them very little, than those that wore them all or most of the time. In other words, you're better off not wearing a mask than you are wearing one if you want to keep from contracting the virus. Did you flip a coin on which "facts" to use there?
The CDC has corrected their claims twice, once last summer and once just this spring, that the number of deaths from covid are really only 6% of the total number reported previously. The differential deaths were from co-morbidities and other medical issues. What "facts" did you decide were more accurate?
The creators of the RT-PCR test, the most commonly used coronavirus test, say it yields between 80 and 97 percent false positive results and are notoriously unreliable in their results. "Facts", ma'am. Just the facts, right?
Numerous studies show that lockdowns are ineffective at slowing covid. The collateral damage of lockdowns is well documented. Their benefits, however, remain murky. Not exactly "facts" that build confidence, huh?
Oh, and you can stop lecturing to me about my moral obligations. You have delusions of being the divinity too and preaching to others what they should be doing. Mind you own beeswax.
There's a lot of uncertainty. When I give numbers I'll talk about the uncertainty. But to say because the pandemic was manipulated means nobody is allowed to post facts is a fallacy. It's the same all-or-nothing fallacy reused over and over.
Fallacy: because masks failed often means they were not useful at all. No, they were useful sometimes and useless sometimes. I don't choose any of Fauci's facts. He is an idiot and not worth listening to.
Fallacy: "the number of deaths from covid are really only 6% of the total". Yes, COVID-only are just 6% but the rest would not have died.
Fact: 511,000 more deaths in 2020 than 2019, and state numbers support a 15 to 17% increase in mortality from 2019 to 2020. Anotther fact: many of the "excees" deaths had no COVID involvement at all. A lot of them were due to shutting down the hospitals which meant people could not get tests and treatments
Fallacy: 'Numerous studies show that lockdowns are ineffective at slowing covid. The collateral damage of lockdowns is well documented."
Fact: When countries are not locked down (e.g. Sweden) they lock themselves down. Sweden's economy dropped 8% in the 2nd quarter last year (32% annualized) whiich is the same drop we had. Swedes were scared and stayed home. The other Scandanavian economies all did better or much better. All the other Scandanavian countries had less death or a lot less death per capita than Sweden.
Oh, and you can stop lecturing to me about my moral obligations.
So you believe if you have COVID you can go out as usual and spread it? Why?
I'll say this again. I have never worn a mask, I don't social distance, and I don't lockdown in my home. I travel where I want and go about my life without following any government mandates. And for 18 months I have done just fine without your sanctimonious advice. Preaching to me about my moral obligation, my ass.
And if I had covid, it would not be my responsibility to keep others from getting it. It would be theirs. Let them wear their masks and stay indoors quivering in fear over contracting something no more serious than having the flu or getting a cold.
When they come out of their homes, the virus will still be here. It is not going away. It will always be around. The Hong Kong flu virus from the 1968-1969 pandemic that killed 150,000 people is still around and we have just learned to live with it. Fear-mongering is all that is going on and I've had enough.
Find someone else to play your game with you.
this is at least against the Hippa act....where’s the privacy?
Wrong. If you had a cough or shortness of breath you would stay home.
The Hong Kong flu virus from the 1968-1969 pandemic that killed 150,000 people is still around
Ok, finally some facts, congrats. First the perspective by the Post: https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-life-went-on-as-normal-during-the-killer-pandemic-of-1969/ We could have had a Woodstock this past summer with few serious effects. Any spread within that fairly healthy group would have been limited to that group as long as they were careful when they got back home to avoid spreading if they were still sick..
Jan 1968 23.3 per 100,000 https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdfplus/10.2105/AJPH.2007.119933 Peak death rate for COVID was 29 per 100,000 in January.
Back to your statement: no more serious than having the flu or getting a cold.
It's a bit more serious than the worst pandemic flu we had since 1918. Not much more serious though. Our overreaction made it worse, particularly shutting down hospitals. There's a difference between "the flu" and pandemic flu and you ignored the difference. But the difference doesn't justify the overreaction.
From the NY Post: How does this compare to the Hong Kong flu? Nathaniel Moir, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government, said there were few precautions taken during the H3N2 pandemic other than washing hands and staying home when sick.
Common sense. All you need to do is stay home when sick. That's not other people's responsibility, it's yours.
Here in NYS companies are requiring proof of vaccination before employees can remove their muzzles.
Which means that, in addition to the company knowing its employees’ vaxx status, so will every employee who sees a muzzled mug.
HIPAA is cool with that apparently. So is NYS, all of these companies, and Deep State.
HIPAA is no protection.
Privacy is dead.
Meanwhile...
https://patriots.win/p/12j08TiJKW/whoa-did-andrew-cuomo-just-use-r/c/
The Cuomo admin just said the unvaxxed pose no threat to the vaxxed.
CoupFlu was NEVER about public health.
I doubt he would continue to double down if his poll numbers looked bad. Caitlyn the Bruce’s candidacy lent an air of absurdity to the recall process that may bring it down.
I don't really know how I made it to my mid-70s without your advice. I should be dead by now according to you.
But then I probably would have slit my wrists early on if you had been around just to avoid your irritating nature.
I've had a cough and shortness of breath for a couple of years now. My doctor told me to get out and stay active. I go where I want and do what I want. I don't need you to tell me to stay home and cower in fear. You listen to too much CNN and the political class.
From the movie, The Shawshank Redemption: Time to "get busy living or get busy dying." It's my choice, not yours.
Bye.
I don’t pretend to have a clue what he might actually do.
But he is a ComDem and there is nothing too low down for them to not attempt.
He must GO. California will eventually collapse if these vermin are not extracted.
Agree.
The agenda finally dawned on me this morning.
It was already clear they intend to collapse our economy and that of the world. The vaccine gives them a way to do away with much of the US voting population and sicken many more for many years to come. Then the invaders from outside can move in and vote to keep these Commie B_tards in power forever.
They will accept the subjection when the US Citizens WILL NOT.
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