People Who Get COVID-19 Vaccines Can Go Back to Life as Normal

The Epoch Times ^ | 2/27/21 | ZACHARY STIEBER AND JAN JEKIELEK

[MinorityRepublican]

Problem is that Dr. Fauci is not willing to have us return to “normalcy”. Yes, there’s a risk that due to variants, we will see some COVID-19 activity beyond the immediate future. Big deal, we deal with the seasonal flu every year.

[Triple]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/health/What-are-Adenovirus-Based-Vaccines.aspx

Much smaller list above as of September 2020. This is still a very young technology, IMO.

I was just looking for Whooping cough adenovirus vector vaccine.

Can you provide a link?

Thanks in advance.

[5th MEB]

I’m 70 years old, have COPD, still a smoker after 55 years, I don’t wear a damn mask, I won’t get their untested vaccine (no control group tests).

I will die in GODS TIME, not one second sooner or later!

[jackibutterfly]

Ha!

[Triple]

Where did you find your list of adenovirus vector vaccines?

—-Source please—-

I can’t replicate it.

[Bryanw92]

That’s an editorial that points to some study without divulging any numbers. As we know from the media, “possibly” and “according to a study” in the same sentence usually means that they cherry-picked the an unlikely, but scary possible conclusion out of many other more probable but less scary conclusions.

[mewzilla]

Vaccines have always been a trade-off.

Always.

Most often an acceptable trade-off.

But this is the first time that informed consent is impossible.

Because this was NEVER about public health.

[Triple]

Where did you find your list of adenovirus vector vaccines?

—-Source please—-

I can’t replicate it.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

My post talked generally about generation 2 vaccine types. These include subunit, recombinant, polysaccharide, and conjugate vaccines. Recombinant vaccines, which seem to be the main source of objection here, take DNA or RNA from the target pathogen (e.g. SARS-CoV-2) and insert it into the genome of another, harmless organism (e.g. an adenovirus) such that it’s expressed and can trigger an immune response. More information can be found here: https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/types

Examples of recombinant vaccines which have been in use for decades include Hepatitis B and acellular pertussis (including in the DTaP combination vaccine). For a more complete list, see here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/us-vaccines.pdf

This technology has been in use for decades. Successfully and safely.

[Triple]

So, you are backing away from your claim that the vaccines in your list are adenovirus vector vaccines or mRNA vaccines.

These 2 types, in particular, trick the patient’s cells into expressing viral genes, and they are new, and in my view experimental.

Nice “ spinning “

——Wow——

[Triple]

Btw- your comments indicate to me that you aren’t educated or experienced in virology or vaccines. Is that true?

[Triple]

Are you aware that the JnJ and Astra Zeneca vaccines are adenovirus vector vaccines?

And that adenovirus vector technology for vaccines and gene therapy is basically the same?

(I’m Watching for straw man approach and and other spin dr techniques. This noob is tricky.)

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"your claim that the vaccines in your list are adenovirus vector vaccines or mRNA vaccines."

Strawman; I never made any such claim. They're generation 2 vaccines. Gen 1 vaccines are those based on live attenuated or inactivated pathogens. Gen 2 vaccines include the subunit, recombinant, polysaccharide, and conjugate vaccines, which is what the Johnson&Johnson and Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines are. The second generation vaccines date back to the late 70s with the first recombinant vaccine approved in 1986.

When speaking of viral vectors specifically, work began on them in the 1970s. There are 7 different commonly used viral vectors, each with its own distinct advantages and disadvantages. Recombinant versions of the vaccinia virus used in experimental herpes treatments date back to 1982 and utilized the viral vector method. The first clinical trial of a therapeutic retroviral vector took place in 1990.

So no, this is not "new".

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"Are you aware that the JnJ and Astra Zeneca vaccines are adenovirus vector vaccines?"

Yes, right along with the Sputnik V Russian vaccine, the Chinese Convidicea vaccine, the Italian GRAd-COV2 vaccine candidate, the California based ImmunityBio vaccine candidate, and about a dozen others. Lots of different kinds of vaccines have been developed for COVID-19.

"And that adenovirus vector technology for vaccines and gene therapy is basically the same?"

They're not, actually. It's a completely different setup if you want to make a vaccine versus doing any sort of gene therapy. Gene therapy requires a whole host of tools to be involved since you need a transport mechanism into the nucleus, you need enzymatic function to unwind DNA, you need to make selective cuts in the DNA, something to perform the inserts, something to make repairs, etc. None of that is needed for vaccines.

"Viral vector" as a technology platform has a lot of different applications. Demonizing the entire platform because you don't like how some people have chosen to use the technology is like demonizing all guns because some people use them for murder.