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Race is on as carmakers shut, switch or sell combustion engine factories
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 12/27/2020 | Jasper Jolly

Posted on 12/28/2020 8:38:30 AM PST by RightGeek

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To: Winniesboy

He ended up using pesticides. Lol


201 posted on 12/29/2020 5:29:51 AM PST by V_TWIN (Where's Hunter???)
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To: EVO X

I am sure you are correct.

I have a customer who recently purchased a $90K Tesla. I questioned him all of the Devils’ Advocate questions I have read on these electric car threads here on FR. He gave me the answer of the battery backup to charge your vehicle. I did not know enough about electrical charging systems to question his reply. It is not my expertise. I figured IF he could afford to buy a $90K car, he probably could afford the home based charging system. Plus, as I previously stated, he was my CUSTOMER. I sell him lumber.
It is generally not a good idea to call your customer a DUMB ASS in so many words.

I believe that electric cars will become more popular as battery improves and the technology to produce them becomes cheaper. This is similar to the fact that lithium ion battery technology in my Milwaukee battery operated drill is much better than it was in my original Ryobi Nicad battery operated drill.

The other real issue is that the DEMS IF they gain the Senate will pass tax increases on gasoline/oil and domestic energy that will make all oil products more expensive.

On another subject, you are lucky regarding power outages. Here in NH, almost everyone out in the country has some kind of back up generator powered by gasoline or propane.
We lose power here every year for some amount of time. Early this month we had a snow storm with 3-4” of real heavy snow(like mash potatoes). We did not lose power, but our daughter who lives 2 miles away lost power for 24 hours.

Lastly, I would like your input regarding solar panels installation. I have been watching a couple building off grid in West Virginia on Facebook. They call their page: Wild Wonderful Off-Grid. I believe they also have a youtube channel. They are building their own home by themselves. Just the two of them. He is an electrician by trade. She is a stay at home mom. She home schools three kids too.
They are doing everything themselves.

They put up a freestanding array of solar panels about 150 yards from their house. They stated that each panel was about $230 x 12 panels = $2760 total. They were mounted on a steel pipe frame in concrete. He wired them in two series circuits to a box. Each circuit generated about 280 volts. Then underground to a DC/AC convertor. Eventually they planned on building a small shed to house a bank of batteries to run the house when it was not sunny out or at night. They are in a remote mountain location and are not hooked up to the grid. They stated it would have cost about the same amount to bring power to the house as it was for their own generating system.

They also stated that there was a stream on their property that ran all year round. They were also going to put a power generating system on that stream.

My question to you is can a person install an off grid system like this if you have a basic knowledge of electricity. How much is the DC/AC convertor?
What else do I need to power my house?


202 posted on 12/29/2020 8:22:54 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Jeff Chandler
Under perfect conditions with a brand new car, tail wind, downhill, and all accessories turned off... You MIGHT get 400 miles...

Meanwhile in the real world...

203 posted on 12/29/2020 8:34:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: woodbutcher1963

You need a backup battery if you are connected to the grid. Solar doesn’t work without one if the power goes out.

If you are handy with tools and have a basic background in electricity, it might be worth taking a look at DIY. You might not be able to do all the work, but could save a chunk of change doing the grunt work.

https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/diy-solar

https://unboundsolar.com/blog/how-to-install-solar-diy-turnkey-contractor


204 posted on 12/29/2020 9:01:09 AM PST by EVO X
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To: Josa
I think it's not so much a question of how they plan to charge the cars.

I'm waiting to see how they plan to sell them.

205 posted on 12/29/2020 9:12:20 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: kickstart

I suspect the tow trucks will not be battery powered.


206 posted on 12/29/2020 9:23:02 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: Cobra64
It appears few have bothered to consider the tremendous new requirements for electricity and associated infrastructure.

In a world hostile to both. I tried to make that point to a certain poster from Texas. He assured me that just as they carried fuel in cans before there were gas stations, they'll figure out a way to recharge until there are more charging stations.

He didn't say what would be connected to the input side of charging stations.

207 posted on 12/29/2020 9:28:16 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: FreeReign
A utility that can cause blackouts can tell you not to charge your car.
208 posted on 12/29/2020 9:50:32 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: CodeToad

Not cost efficient? Why?


209 posted on 12/29/2020 11:32:14 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: Grampa Dave
No doubt this will be true of some. I can't buy into the tidal wave thinking for what will probably be incremental change.

I spend a lot of time behind the wheel, a burb of Seattle. I'm seeing traffic returning to pre-Covid levels in some places. Overall traffic is less.

Local companies are MSFT, Amazon, etc. They can easily allow remote work for offices. In the case of Amazon, delivery drivers can't work remotely.

So it makes sense we'll see a greater % of workers working remotely, not all.

In the case of electrical cars, I believe the change will also be incremental. The technology and infrastructure do not exist. Put aside sourcing the electricity...it must be distributed. This in a world filled with NIMBYs.

Then, convince a buying public which trends toward SUVs to spend money on an electric vehicle. All this speculation relies upon consumers walking into dealerships and signing papers. Good luck with that.

Incremental change.

210 posted on 12/29/2020 11:53:45 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: gogeo

“Not cost efficient? Why?”

You’ve never did the math, have you? You just bought right into the hype. I love stupid people, they write checks.


211 posted on 12/29/2020 11:55:49 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Yardstick
PT Cruiser= Chrysler.

HHR= General Motors.

212 posted on 12/29/2020 11:56:41 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: Hazwaste

Every time such a deadline loomed in California, the state bailed. No reason to think it will be any different.


213 posted on 12/29/2020 11:57:54 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: rdcbn1

Chevy Volt. Just discontinued.


214 posted on 12/29/2020 11:58:48 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: gogeo

It certainly makes it difficult if you are trying to plan a product line and the factories to manufacture them.


215 posted on 12/29/2020 11:59:27 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: gogeo

I want to buy used one when they get a few years older.
I think it’s a good hedge against spiking gas prices and availability during the Kamalamadingdong Devi Gopalan-Harris administration.


216 posted on 12/29/2020 12:02:08 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: CodeToad
That wasn't an answer.

I work in transportation. Around SeaTac Airport hybrids are ubiquitous. Taxi drivers drive Prius. Uber and Lyft other hybrids.

These industries are known for seeking efficiency. I've spoken with several cabbies who are at 300k+ on the original Prius battery.

So, I was wondering if you had any facts to offer, to go along with your attitude. (It doesn't seem to be informed enough to even be an opinion.) Do you?

217 posted on 12/29/2020 12:14:58 PM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: nascarnation

I believe they’re pretty cheap now.


218 posted on 12/29/2020 12:16:30 PM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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