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Vox calls Beethoven's Fifth Symphony 'a symbol of exclusion and elitism’
Washington Examiner ^ | 09.15.2020 | Spencer Neale

Posted on 09/16/2020 8:22:21 PM PDT by libh8er

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To: libh8er

Yes we should destroy all the epic achievements of western culture and substitute the shallowness of cultures that didn’t progress in 3,000 years.
Yes that’s the answer! !


21 posted on 09/16/2020 8:34:47 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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To: DoodleBob
I think blues and jazz added a thing or two to culture.

Louis Armstrong said it best:

There are only two kinds of music, good and bad.

22 posted on 09/16/2020 8:34:48 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Paladin2

I was thinking that both Hip Hop and Rap are about the most tone deaf and soulless types of NOISE I have ever heard.

I guess the great African composers beating on a drum in the middle of the jungle just didn’t have the social contacts to become well known.


23 posted on 09/16/2020 8:34:53 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Just like the Taliban has done!


24 posted on 09/16/2020 8:35:19 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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To: libh8er
anybody at any time could have written good music, good literature, etc....

some people did....others did not....

that is not my fault.....

25 posted on 09/16/2020 8:36:10 PM PDT by cherry
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To: libh8er

So many effete moronic nitwits...so little time.


26 posted on 09/16/2020 8:36:44 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp???)
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To: libh8er
Butmmmbut...Beethoven was deaf, doesn't that put him at least a little ways up on the totem pole of "protected classes"? OOPS! Is it still OK to call it a totem pole? Don't want to offend any indigenous peoples🤔🙄🙄😖
27 posted on 09/16/2020 8:38:20 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: Shadow44

I used to live on Schubert Strasse in a German town. Does this mean I have to kill myself?


28 posted on 09/16/2020 8:38:43 PM PDT by gr8eman (Stupid should hurt! Treason should hurt more!)
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To: libh8er

Leave all “western” nations.

And NO cultural appropriation, of ANYthing “western”. Thank you very much. Back to your mud huts.


29 posted on 09/16/2020 8:39:04 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I)
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To: libh8er

This is obviously bigotry against hearing-disabled composers.


30 posted on 09/16/2020 8:40:44 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: libh8er

Vox is nothing but a bunch of hard left, virtue signaling idiots.


31 posted on 09/16/2020 8:41:25 PM PDT by Bayan
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To: 5th MEB

Yet consider how beautiful and melodic so many black singers and writers were....up until the ‘80s and “rap” took over.


32 posted on 09/16/2020 8:41:25 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I)
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To: libh8er

Oh sure, pick on the deaf guy.


33 posted on 09/16/2020 8:42:32 PM PDT by ameribbean expat (Attention! All persons having the corona virus...please report to the nearest IRS office. Thank you.)
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To: libh8er

I have occassionally heard orchestras present “new” classical composers. Evidently their aim was to deconstruct music.

Some of it sounded like an orchestra tuning up, but not as good. Others seemed to be random toots, bleats and a few percussive sounds. Still others sounded like you put a lot of silverware and glassware in a bag and threw it down a long flight of stairs.


34 posted on 09/16/2020 8:43:11 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: the OlLine Rebel

No electricity, no central heat, no automobiles, no skateboards, etc.


35 posted on 09/16/2020 8:43:21 PM PDT by Paladin2 (need)
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To: libh8er
Let's see, the cacophony of crude primitive jungle music performed
by 60 IQ savages, or Beethoven? It’s a no brainer.


 

36 posted on 09/16/2020 8:49:41 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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To: DeFault User

Any work of genius is under attack by the resentful barbarians of the left. Susan McClary was awarded a MacArthur Foundation’s “genius grant.” She claims classical music is chock-full of phallic themes, patriarchal violence, and “assaultive pelvic pounding.” McClary claims that the pelvic pounding in Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony adds up to nonorgasmic rape. She hears “the throttling, murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release.” “Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Balanchine ballets, et al. don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world.” - Susan Sontag


37 posted on 09/16/2020 8:53:55 PM PDT by Vehmgericht (12)
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To: libh8er

America was not founded as a multicultural country. It was founded by white Europeans as an extension of western civilization. There was no such thing as multiculturalism in the 1400s. In fact, national identity in Europe was very important in the 1400s as a result of centuries of wars. People were expected to adapt to the culture of the country they lived in.

Classical music is part of the culture of white Europeans. Just as other types of music are part of the culture of other ethnicities. White Europeans are entitled to their own culture just as equally any other ethnicity and are entitled to be equally as proud of the accomplishments of western civilization as any other culture is of their own. Whether it be national heros, ideals, accomplishments, customs or music that is unique to them. To claim otherwise is the height of racism.

The constant antagonism and nitpicking against western civilization is getting tiresome and stale. And is the sure sign of a small and bitter intellect.


38 posted on 09/16/2020 9:02:21 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: libh8er

Yawn


39 posted on 09/16/2020 9:08:25 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Biden's an 'innocent face' masking harsh commie thugs ... a useful face to fool the yokels.)
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To: libh8er

Oooh. Vox is so cool. So who’s next? Shakespeare? Euripides? Aeschylus? Maybe Einstein. Yeah, Einstein’s a good choice for elitist, exclusionist. Too smart for his own good.


40 posted on 09/16/2020 9:09:34 PM PDT by RAldrich
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