Posted on 04/10/2020 10:54:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Whotta lib gasbag.
In my town, for decades, we have had front-end loaders to clean the streets daily of the piles of dead bodies of Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis sufferers who took hydroxychloroquine and died.
If only Doc Gasbag here had been around to warn them...
Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse
October 3, 2009
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
In February 1919
Edward's fever kept getting higher and higher
aspirin
was given to him by the 1/2-handful over and over
Edward sweated through his mattress
Dr.
could not save his patient.
Doxycycline is one of the replacements in that instance?
Exactly.
One year ago this month, I underwent Oral Surgery.
My surgeon prescribed Hydrocodone and an extremely high dose of Ibuprofen. I think they were 600 MGs. I was instructed to take the Ibuprofen three times daily.
Of course, Id taken Ibuprofen before, but not at that high amount. A few days later, I started feeling very anxious and then started suffering panic attacks.
I do suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and am prescribed benzos for panic attacks, but I couldnt figure out why, all of a sudden, I was a panicky mess.
On a whim, I googled Ibuprofen and what can happen if one takes large amounts. I was shocked to discover that, in a few select people, large amounts of Ibuprofen can cause panic attacks. Those were rare side effects but, for people like myself, the pills could cause panic attacks.
After that, I cut down on the Ibuprofen and took more of the Hydrocodone. That helped immensely.
Your post was spot on. There are many innocuous drugs that most people take with no problems but, for some reason, cause serious problems for some people. Everyones systems are different.
You won’t find anything current- any COVID + patient who dies while under treatment will be deemed COVID related.
Medication related deaths are far harder to prove
In fact the severe side effects that can occur in an acute setting- erythema multiforme, toxic epidermal necrolysis, prolonged QT syndrome, cardiomyopathy should be picked up by a provider (especially if the patient is hospitalized) with the patient immediately being taken off the hydroxycholorquine. All of the above conditions have been associated with death and you should look them up individually as opposed to the medication itself.
The bigger issue is if people to get a hold of this and use it without a physician monitoring (difficult though not impossible) and especially if they think they can use it without a concern as a preventative for months at a time as some here seem to be suggesting. Then other potentially issues arise, equally nasty, including aplastic anemia, hepatic necrosis and retinopathy, Not good.
The biggest danger I see is the various states using it as a POST-preventative.
As in - you have to test positive for Covid or go into the hospital for Covid, meaning you'll have to wait, meaning you may become physically damaged while waiting.
Kind of your auto mechanic making you wait till there's engine damage before he'll let you have that $2 quart of oil.
Leave it to the state governments to set up a DMV-style approach to a problem that is time-sensitive. "Take a number and have a seat. We'll get to you right after lunch."
BTW - did you know that the Democrat Michigan state representative who was able to mitigate her Covid infection couldn't get the HCQ in Michigan?
Her husband (who was also infected, but hadn't got his test results back) had to drive to a neighboring state to get her The Good Stuff...
They need to give you the treatment regime when you present with symptoms.
There is a huge difference in the side effects between Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine. Most of the bad side effects have been tied to HQ alone. HCQ is much safer, with fewer side effects. Almost trivial side effects with HCQ.
The potential side effects listed are taken from the history of CQ, because it was out first, and they didn’t know yet what they would be for HCQ. Very difficult to remove side effects from a label later, and pretty much no reason to. Litigation reasons.
As a preventative, you can pretty much give it to anyone who could use it to prevent malaria. Which is darn near everyone. The body doesn’t know which disease you will be exposed to. Millions of doses given each year for !alaria prevention, all over the world.
The Chemotherapy Drugs given to me to treat my CLL (Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia) MAY HAVE given me MDS (Myelodysplastic Syndrome) otherwise known as Pre Leukemia.
There is also a chance that I already had MDS but it was not Diagnosed along with my CLL.
Without the Chemotherapy Drugs first given to me fourteen Years ago to battle my CLL, I probably wouldn’t even be around to worry about the side effects.
The different Opinions of all these Doctors makes you realize that picking one Doctor over a another is like buying a Lotto Ticket. Could be a Winner, but probably isn’t.
Doxy is a replacement for azithromycin, which may cause EKG problems in patients with heart disease.
They had you on quinine. Tastes like crap, as you know (Thank you for your service, MUCH )
Not sure why they didn’t have you guys on chloroquine. Quinine cheaper?
It’s used now in the US for leg cramps.
Actually azithromycin is a great treatment for gonorrhea!
Get the word out!!
What do you have to lose by taking hydroxychloroquine?
Let’s see, the bracing experience of having a tube inserted down your trachea is the first thing that comes to mind.
Been reading Medscape for about 15 years, mainly for med education.
They do tend to be practical.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927033#vp_2
Before I would believe this doctor, I would like to know about his sources of income, does he sit on a Pharm board and how hid patients have fared in the pandemic.
Remember, Doctors bury their mistakes!
Thanks, I just tweeted this to my Bishop. He is being hounded by a Twitter troll who thinks HCQ is a poison pushed by anti-science Trumpkins to make money and kill Americans.
That is why doctors treating a coronavirus patient with cardiac issues and certain other counter-indications can use Doxycycline instead of Azithromycin. Doxycycline works well with the HCQ and Zinc.
No medication is totally benign. Even aspirin with more than a century of common use has side effects and can be dangerous. However this is a biased hit piece. There is ample evidence that HCQ is an effective treatment in many cases of COVID-19. The drug has a 50 year history and is cheap and generic. Ideally years of double blind studies would be needed to get FDA approval for use with COVID-19, but given the long history of this drug and its apparent effectiveness in treating this pandemic why not use it.
Yeah, this seems to have shut some rabid anti-HCQers up — for now.
Well i meant the drug has been used for 65 yuears now- for lupus and arthritis, and also for malaria- milliosn and millions of peopel have been on it, soem short erm, soem long term- certainly they must have soem stats abotu how many have died as a direct result of using it
[[All of the above conditions have been associated with death and you should look them up individually as opposed to the medication itself.]]
I know they can occur along with the use of the drug- (now that you’ve pointed that out to me) but it’s the facts I’m after- how many of those cases were caused by the drug? How many occurred totally separate from the drug while they were on the drug? These are important things- to know if we’re to judge whether the drug is safe or not- with so many years- decades of use- there must be stats on this now if the drug is so unsafe- it should be common knowledge, and plastered all over then et by now-
but my point is that these are ‘possible side effects’ not ‘likely side effects’- many drugs list possible side effects- but rarely ever see those side effects happen except in very specific unique situation -
[[The bigger issue is if people to get a hold of this and use it without a physician monitoring]]
I somewhat agree- but many many people take much more dangerous drugs and are sent home and told ‘if you experience any of these symptoms, call right away’
[[aplastic anemia, hepatic necrosis and retinopathy, Not good.]]
These things won’t occur as if these are such a concern with the drug- the physician will order blood tests, eye tests, and other tests periodically, as needed, to prevent those htigns- I was on a drug that could destroy the liver and kidneys- i took those drugs for a long time, at home- years- and had to get periodic tests to determine if the drugs were hurting those organs
I just don’t see, with the long history and safety record of this drug, which by the way was far safer than the ones i was on, why it should be denied, even as a prophylactic use drug- sure, there are some —possible— symptoms, however, they are very very rare from what I’m finding- far more rare than the drugs’ side effects that i was on (I did suffer from other pretty nasty side effects, one, bronchitis, which landed me in hospital twice- but didn’t suffer the kidney and liver issues- tests were all good-)
I’m sure soem won’t bother getting tested, ad might- might end up with serous side effects, but we can’t prevent a population from using it during a pandemic simply because of irresponsible people who don’t follow doctor’s advice-
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