Posted on 01/30/2020 8:14:28 AM PST by dangus
“Your original contention with me was that I misquoted the article.”
Yes. That is my contention and it is fact.
“Regardless, the DEA said in 2016 that pot is not a gateway drug.”
The above quote was not in “the article” or implied or suggested in “the article”, “the article” being the DEA letter ou linked two.
The metastudy:
Legalizing marijuana might contribute to a modest reduction in opioid prescriptions. Evidence about the effect of marijuana legalization on opioid overdose mortality is inconsistent and inconclusive. If any, the effectiveness of state marijuana laws in reducing opioid overdose mortality appears to be rather small and limited to states with operational marijuana dispensaries. It remains unclear whether the presumed benefit of legalizing marijuana in reducing opioid-related harms outweighs the policy’s externalities, such as its impact on mental health and traffic safety.
Clearly, the recent data from the CDC sheds additional data to the “inconsistent, inconclusive” present data.
Grandma KC always said. "Stay. Away. From Pills."
Negative. My original post to you (#43) contained a link to the USA Today article, not the DEA Report.
Maybe you shouldn't post when you're drunk.
Here's my post #43: (I've removed quotes from DouglasKC and A Navy Vet)
Do you see that 'linky' thing in the body of the post below? If you hover your mouse over it, then click the link, it'll take you to the USA Today article.
ifinnegan: Yes. And getting in the habit of getting high with pot makes it easy to move on to getting high on opiates, which most people would find more comforting than pot.
Regardless of your anecdotes, the DEA said in 2016 that pot is not a gateway drug.
From: Marijuana to remain illegal under federal law, DEA says:
On other points, the DEA report noted marijuana has a "high potential" for abuse and can result in psychological dependence. It said around 19 million individuals in the U.S. used marijuana monthly in 2012 and that contemporaneous studies showed around 4.3 million individuals met diagnostic criteria for marijuana dependence.
It did not find, however, that marijuana is a "gateway drug."
"Little evidence supports the hypothesis that initiation of marijuana use leads to an abuse disorder with other illicit substances," the report said.
Thanks. Can you link to my reply?
No, but you can.
I posted the body of the report dealing with the gateway drug hypothesis in post #66.
Please point out where in that report that the DEA is saying what you claim.
From the relevant passage of the report that I posted in #66.
Perhaps you can post links to studies whose results support what you're claiming.
Little evidence supports the hypothesis that initiation of marijuana use leads to an abuse disorder with other illicit substances. For example, one longitudinal study of 708 adolescents demonstrated that early onset marijuana use did not lead to problematic drug use (Kandel & Chen, 2000). Similarly, Nace et al. (1975) examined Vietnam-era soldiers who extensively abused marijuana and heroin while they were in the military, and found a lack of correlation of a causal relationship demonstrating marijuana use leading to heroin addiction. Additionally, in another longitudinal study of 2,446 adolescents, marijuana dependence was uncommon but when it did occur, the common predictors of marijuana dependence were the following: parental death, deprived socio-economic status, and baseline illicit drug use other than marijuana (von Sydow et al., 2002).
“Thanks. Can you link to my reply?
No, but you can.”
View responses shows no response by me.
Of those with a dependence on cocaine, 59% to 89% use marijuana regularly.
It looks like you forgot the link.
That’s not the end of the issue, since that could show that cocaine use causes marijuana use, not the other way around. But in my younger days, I met a LOT of cocaine users and heard their testimonies about how they got hooked into drugs, and I can’t imagine ONE of them started with cocaine BEFORE trying marijuana.
How many started out smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol?
The above makes absolutely no sense.
“View responses shows no response by me.
The above makes absolutely no sense.”
Surely you know every post has a view reply link.
There is no reply by me to your 43.
That study by Nace et al had nothing to do with the notion that people who used marijuana were more likely or less likely to use heroin; it found that OF THOSE WHO USED BOTH, those who became addicted to heroin experimented more with other drugs. Not at all relevant to “gateway,” only to the straw man.
Likewise, Kandel & Chen didn’t find that marijuana use didn’t make people more likely to use heroin; it found that of those who did use heroin, they weren’t more likely to become addicted. Not only does this not refute the gateway hypothesis, Kandel coined the term in 1975!
METH is the fastest growing street DOPE..
Don’t forget the CANNABINOID VOMITING IS UNDER REPORTED along with the deaths.
What is the evidence that cannabis deaths are underreported?
they’re too stoned to remember how many pills they took?
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