ADL declares: 'OK' hand gesture is a white supremacist symbol

Arutz Sheva ^ | 26/9/19 | Marcy Oster

[Eleutheria5]

Live long and prosper.

[Eleutheria5]

If they were so certain of his guilt, why lynch him. And since an exculpatory witness came forward after his murder, all the evidence wasn’t even presented at the trial. Finally, this is an entirely tangential topic. All that the Leo Frank case has to do with this thread is that the ADL is a nominally Jewish organization, where we stash all the leftard idiots so they don’t hurt themselves. Oh, and Moe Howard was Jewish, too.

[Eleutheria5]

“The KKK was EXTREMELY active back then, all over the South and Mid-West. They and the local ministers ratcheted up the anti-Frank/Semitism feeling, so did some of the local press.”

I was under the impression that the KKK was disbanded by the Reconstruction regimen and at Bedford Forrest’s own urging, and later revived by the film Birth of a Nation and Woodrow Wilson’s endorsement of its message.

[rlmorel]

I posted this on a related thread on the same subject...my premise is that symbolism is important, and allowing the Left to define it is something we do at our peril.

One of the mistakes we have made on our side is to discount the use of symbolism and icons as a tool.

To a degree, I understand perfectly how and why conservatives like us dismiss it: we simply believe in being straightforward, saying what we mean, and meaning what we say. To us, there is much about symbolism that seems, well...wasteful and frivolous to us.

But it is clear to me we don't feel that way about all symbols. At a gut level, I think we do understand the power of symbolism. Look at how many of us view the symbolism of the American flag.

Leftists view it as Michelle and Barack Obama do with their "All this for a flag" deriding of a flag covered casket. They view the American flag as a symbol of oppression and greed.

We view that symbolism quite differently. We view it as the POWs in the Hanoi Hilton did, willing to risk their lives to sew together a flag and covertly say the Pledge of Allegiance (another powerful symbol) in front of it in their grimy prison cells. They understood the symbolism behind that flag sewn together from pieces of ripped cloth. And when the owner of the flag was discovered and beaten to within an inch of his life by his captors and his flag taken away, he began immediately to make another one even though his eyes were nearly swollen shut by the beating.

Those guys valued that flag because of its symbolism. Me, when I see an American flag, I think of my father being buried under it in Arlington. I think of myself about a US Navy ship at sea, looking up and seeing it flying far above the flight deck. I see it in the shoulder patch of every Marine lined up outside a house in Fallujah waiting to break the door down to clear out the house. I think of how beautiful that flag must have been to people liberated from the Nazis.

That is the way many of us here on Free Republic see the symbolism of the flag. So I think we DO understand it.

But I think where we conservatives fall short is in understanding how powerful a tool symbolism is to influence and yes...manipulate people who don't even think about symbols but whose main part in all this is simply to be influenced unconsciously by them. Symbolism is VERY important, and very powerful, too. You might appreciate this excellent short video "The Power and Danger of Iconography" (8 minutes)

The Left understands the power of symbols on the "proletariat" (to use their term) and exploits it at every chance they get to contribute in the achievement of their Leftist goals, and successfully, too.

I find this infuriating in their control (through the Leftist Media) of both symbols and language. They appropriate both of them and twist them to their own ends (much as they do with things like the "OK" hand sign. The word "gay". The symbol of the rainbow. Their control of what the current correct nomenclature is to describe people racially, sexually, culturally, etc.

They change this nomenclature on a seemingly daily basis, and they do it deliberately. We don't pay as much attention to this, and as a result, are constantly being accused and called out for using insensitive or politically incorrect terms, simply because that isn't as important to us as it is to them, so we don't follow the changes in terminology, what is accepted, what is prohibited.

And that is no accident on the part of the Left. The Homosexual Movement is rife with examples which I related above, and being a wholly leftist construct, it isn't surprising.

On a humorous note, one of my favorite examples of the power of symbolism and the unintentional use (or mis-use) of them is this:

I am relating it from memory so I might not remember it perfectly, but I do believe this was also featured in the excellent movie "Churchill" where he came out of a building after a contentious meeting, and was being abused by his opponents and the press, and as he climbed into the car, flashed this sign. Seemed innocent enough, the victory sign.

When his secretary came into work, people were huddled around newspapers, grinning and snickering. When she asked what was going on, they showed her the picture on the front fold which showed Churchill giving the backwards victory sign to the gaggle of reporters. She gasped in astonishment.

When she saw him, somehow the subject came up where Churchill wanted to know what everyone was tittering about (he hadn't seen the paper) and when she showed him, he was puzzled. He thought he had just given the victory sign. In his upper social circle, apparently knowledge of that hand gesture was not as widespread, talked about, or used as it was in her lower social circle.

When he asked why people thought it was funny and why they were talking about it, his young, very pretty, prim, proper, and now furiously blushing secretary had to explain to him that it meant something about "sticking it up your backside".

As I recall reading the account Churchill, looked at her in puzzlement, but as it sunk in, he grinned broadly and had a good laugh, thinking the affair was a wonderful thing!

That's a man who fought...and I would use his same gesture towards the media today!

[nopardons]

Not only were all the known facts not entered at the trial, but the police never did anything about the murder scene/where the body was found, but they never did anything about the bloody fingerprints on Mary's clothes, on a door, nor the human stool at the bottom of the elevator shaft; to mention but a very few of the clues that abounded when Mary's dead body was found.

Yes, Moe and his brothers were indeed Jews, which also has less than nothing at all to do with the Leo Franks.

[nopardons]

The KKK was founded during the Reconstruction period.

It slowly sort of died out as an active lynching/harassing of blacks and other groups whom they hated, after about a decade; however, those feelings and the feelings about losing the Civil War continued simmering below the surface, until around the time of the Frank's trial. And it is acknowledged that it regain impetus in Georgia, at exactly the time of this trial and began to spread rapidly, in the South and Mid-West in 1915.

Wilson is a prime example of Southern "feelings" at the time and why he had BIRTH OF A NATION shown at the White House. It was NOT that that movie started those feelings!

[Reily]

The US Navy was roughly 20% - 25% black in the enlisted ranks prior to Wilson. He segregated it.

There were always a number of blacks in the merchant service. Think Moby Dick - Daggoo tall (6’ 5”) African harpooneer ! The novel presents a integrated crew and does it in a manner that implies its not unusual.

[COBOL2Java]

[nopardons]

Yes, I know all about that lefty POS Wilson.

Ummmmmmmmmm....MOBY DICK is a novel, the vessel is a PRIVATE one and not any part of the American military services, just a whaling ship out of New England ( Nantucket, Mass. ), based partly on older whaling novels and actual historical facts about the whaling industry; not to mention the fact that it was begun and then published about a decade prior to the Civil War began!

[Reily]

I said MD was not part of the military but a merchant - I think that term still applies also to whaling vessels. Moby Dick published in 1851, describing I imagine common established shipping practices. Professional sailing was so hard and dangerous that must captains in those days didn’t care what you looked like as long as you could do it.

[Reily]

must = most

I do wish you could go back and edit posts!

[nopardons]

I don't know where your hometown is, where you now live, nor if you studied MD is school at the college or post grad level, but whalers were called WHALERS/WHALING SHIPS back then. A "merchant" had and still has a completely different connotation. I'm really not picking nits; I just want to be clear and wish that others would be as well.

Melville actually had been a hand on a whaler for several years before he wrote this novel,was very well versed in New England whaling history ( wrecks, much sought after, almost mythological for real whales, crews ), but also based MD on some rather strange other sources as well.

And yes, a sort of a U. N. diverse crew was not out of the norm in the 19th century, for whaling ships!

I suffered through this book in high school and then, even more in depth in college ( some things one never forgets...though one wished one would ), as well as the damnedible TYPEE.

[Brown Deer]

[Reily]

I just used the term “merchant” to mean commercial shipping non-military. I didn’t feel like breaking it down like you did. I shouldn’t have been so lazy.

I studied Moby Dick both in high school & college. Not an expert by any means and I’ve read Meville’s other works. I am also aware of Meville’s back story. I think the Essex -whale story & others were Melville’s basis for Moby Dick.

I had the same visceral reaction you did when forced to read it in my school days. I have since mellowed in my regard for it and have re-read it.

[Eurotwit]

They were never good for anything.

They were founded to intimidate because a jewish peado rapist killed a girl.

[Eurotwit]

They were never taken over.

They were founded to cover for peado murders.

[Eurotwit]

They are insane, but they are also very evil and very dangerous

[Eurotwit]

But this was Georgia and a Jew from North of the Mason-Dixon line ( New York ), back then, was far more of an object of hatred, than the black man; though that black man was!

That is a fr...akking lie.

Why is it allowed to lie about Southerners here?

It sort of reminds me of the elitism that both condemns people in the North of England (No brexit for you), the north of Norway (You do not know how to fish) and in the north East of Australia.

Come off it.

We ARE NOT Deplorable.

[Eurotwit]

Even the kindest of expert.

From one side or another.

Admit, that we will never truly know what happened.

THAT is the truth.

So, the ADL going crazy on this guy’s behalf.

Which is weird anyhow because, murder or no murder... He seemed pretty odd.

Why is this Frank this such a big deal?

That seems to be some other weird...

Things that makes you go

hmmm.

Like all the dancing Israelis on 911...

[Eurotwit]

Also every diver.

It is literally the symbol for...

“ok”