Posted on 03/10/2019 7:34:32 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Unless Lee wrote Ephesians then there is no way he wrote what you are crediting him with.
And along came the Southern rebellion.
“Here’s a book of evidence: Father Abraham: Lincoln’s Relentless Struggle to End Slavery”
I have not read the book so I ask: Does the book make the case that President Lincoln fought to free the slaves?
Yes, it does. The author shows Lincoln at work in a situation that limited what was possible. Thanks for asking.
By the way, before he came of age, Lincoln was rented out to local farmers, etc. by his father, who apparently kept all his wages. Lincoln said about this: “I was once a slave.” However, he thought many people start out at the command of others. The glory of this country is that, except for the black slaves, it allows people to work their way up and to become free.
“Yes, it does (make the case that Lincoln fought to free the slaves). The author shows Lincoln at work in a situation that limited what was possible. Thanks for asking.”
As stated, I have not read the book but, for the sake of this post, let’s stipulate that President Lincoln did indeed “fight to free the slaves.”
In the moral sense that can be justified. If slavery was morally wrong, what can be more justified than using guns to kill people who owned slaves? After all, the purpose of the federal government is to kill immoral people, the argument goes.
But from the view point of the United States Constitution I would argue that Lincoln was wrong to - as the book says - fight to free the slaves.
The United States Constitution - the original one - included pro-slavery provisions. Slavery was legal. In fact, of the 13 original states, 13 of them were slave states.
If Lincoln was fighting to “free the slaves” then he was fighting to overthrow the pro-slavery provisions of the United States Constitution.
U.S. Presidents really should not take up arms to violently overthrow the United States Constitution. The peaceful amendment process is the way to legally amend the Constitution.
It has been awhile since I have heard the argument made that Lincoln “fought to free the slaves.” Maybe he did.
I’ll get a sardonic laugh out of it if Abe falls to the virtue signallers’ swords. YankeeFa fooled themselves if they think that the heroes that they want to keep are safe. They sowed the wind, they will reap the whirlwind.
Lincoln himself said he fought to preserve the Union, first and foremost.
“So if Lee felt slavery was immoral why did he . . .”
Just for the tally book, how many abortion doctors did you abolish today?
That is about the most asinine thing I think I’ve ever been asked. Really. At one time I was a liberal and felt abortion on demand was an absolute right, never to be infringed on. I don’t feel that way anymore however. Abortion is a sometimes necessary medical procedure , believe or not it’s forbidden under the Hippocratic Oath. Slavery was an economic system built on the ownership and exploitation of humans beings. Nothing about slavery had anything to do with the medical establishment.
Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington and many others.
I’ll get a sardonic laugh out of it if Abe falls to the virtue signallers’ swords.
Very true.
“Slavery was an economic system built on the ownership and exploitation of humans beings.”
Here you seem to imply abortion does not rely on the argument that a parent “owns the fetus” and that abortion does not exploit a human being.
I don’t agree.
Just before the book burning begins.
I wonder if that book includes Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greeley:
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm
‘As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.
‘I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
‘I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.
Yours,
A. Lincoln.
My parents never told me they ‘’owned me’’ nor said they paid an amount of money to anyone in order to have a child. You are a f**king moral idiot.
jeffersondem knows it wasn’t Lee; he was quoting Apostle Paul’s letter to the Ephesian church.
Proving that wisdom doesn’t come from a bottle
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