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More Green New Deal Proposals: Let’s Replace Air Travel With High-Speed Rail
Hotair ^ | 02/07/2019 | John Sexton

Posted on 02/07/2019 12:21:33 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: rlmorel
What is it with Leftists and rail travel? I think part of it is that if they control your movements, they can control you.

We were told in school that the most efficient form of transportation is rail followed by busses then cars and the worst of all is air travel. Since every good liberal knows that the earth is teetering on the brink of uninhabitable due to energy consumption and pollution.....

And most of all, don't have any kids!

61 posted on 02/07/2019 12:57:28 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Vote your bible.)
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To: Alberta's Child

The original intent of high-speed rail was not to replace air travel, but compete with it. Especially when passenger rail was still in the private sector. But big government wasn’t about to put airports into the private sector, and they also made privately-run high-speed rail prohibitively expensive via taxation and regulation. So when the first attempts came around, they had to be subsidized to even come into existence.

The first operational example, the Budd Metroliner, was run by a private company (Penn Central) but had to be subsidized to get off the ground, therefore. It was supposed to run at a top speed of 160 mph, which would’ve made it the fastest train in the world for its time (Japan’s “Shinkansen 0-Series” bullet train had a top speed of 130 mph), but due to all the corner-cutting thanks to the regulatory expense it ended up with a 110-mph top speed.


62 posted on 02/07/2019 1:00:06 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: SeekAndFind
One of Heinlein's short stories, "The Roads Must Roll", has moving roads as the catalyst for the social "drama".

Has AOC considered implementing that technology?

63 posted on 02/07/2019 1:05:03 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
One of Heinlein's short stories, "The Roads Must Roll", has moving roads as the catalyst for the social "drama".

One of the many great short stories contained in Heinlein's "The Past Through Tomorrow" ...

64 posted on 02/07/2019 1:08:16 PM PST by BlueLancer (Orchides Forum Trahite - Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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To: C210N
Just have to make inventions we haven't yet invented.

Guess you missed the "submerged floating tunnel" thread the other day.

Yes, they're real, and the article was about being one used to cross a fjord.

65 posted on 02/07/2019 1:10:29 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: BlueLancer

I heard the dramatized version, OTR, probably Dimension X or X Minus One, from the 1950s.


66 posted on 02/07/2019 1:13:00 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: SeekAndFind

Anything to control people and go backwards in technology. These people will have us living in caves if we don’t stop them in their tracks.


67 posted on 02/07/2019 1:18:26 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Is Markey trying to get in AOC’s pants?


68 posted on 02/07/2019 1:18:50 PM PST by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: SeekAndFind

sooooooooooo what titmouse will be displaced if the bullet train goes thru it’s habitat! OMG the inhumanity! And what type of power is this bullet train going to run on? Such idiots.


69 posted on 02/07/2019 1:23:35 PM PST by southernindymom
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To: SeekAndFind

I just remembered where Ocasional Kotex´s ideas came from. Somebody has to tell Mr. Green Jeans that she stole all of his ideas. Except that Mr. Green Jeans was a hellof a lot smarter than her.

70 posted on 02/07/2019 1:34:57 PM PST by seawolf101 (Member LES DEPLORABLES)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wind powered high speed trains built in China ?


71 posted on 02/07/2019 1:45:41 PM PST by butlerweave
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To: seawolf101
Hamsters are more efficient, less tail to get in the way.


72 posted on 02/07/2019 2:19:25 PM PST by rfp1234 (I don't watch CNN for the same reason I don't drink from the toilet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They’re setting us up for something????


73 posted on 02/07/2019 2:28:33 PM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: C210N

LOL!


74 posted on 02/07/2019 2:32:09 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary walks free, equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: SeekAndFind
The rail authority also said the earliest trains could operate on a partial system between San Francisco and Bakersfield would be 2029 — four years later than the previous projection. The full system would not begin operating until 2033.

Going to be a lot longer than 2033. SF recently opened the new TransBay Terminal, but it isn't finished. (And a large portion got shut down a few months ago due to faulty construction.) Anyway, they shuffled money around and diverted it from building the train station level in order to get the bus terminal and park built, and now they can't find money to build the train station level which is now an empty hole in the ground. They need to find many billions of dollars to build that level, and a tunnel from existing tracks blocks away. Many many billions of dollars, and that'll push the date far away from 2033.

By the way, much of the cost of the high-speed trains were due to swapping out the existing diesel hybrid trains with electrified rail and electric trains. Never mind that the existing diesel hybrid trains run on electricity generated by onboard diesel motors. They're just shifting use of fossil fuels from one location to another in order to produce the electricity, which will use far more fossil fuels to electrify the rails to power the trains. It's not zero-energy!

75 posted on 02/07/2019 2:32:29 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Dr. Ursus

For one thing, I promise a real attempt to impose the ‘Buffalo Commons’ idea from Frank Popper in the ‘80s. Parts of ten states down the middle of the country to be depopulated.


76 posted on 02/07/2019 2:43:07 PM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: SeekAndFind

77 posted on 02/07/2019 3:15:39 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who really believes glabal warming alarmism should stop all air travel

No excuses.

If they got on a plane we know they lie.


78 posted on 02/07/2019 3:24:07 PM PST by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: Wuli

High Speed Rail, California Version, was never more than a way to enrich connected Democrat insiders by pretending to build something.

They knew it wouldn’t be finished. That wasn’t ever the point. The point was to issue contracts to their friends and family. It’s how to steal from California taxpayers while not making it obvious.

AOC and her Hindu puppet master Saikat Chakrabarti may actually want to build their train. The California Democrats were never serious about it.


79 posted on 02/07/2019 3:59:50 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: blueunicorn6
Train vs Semi. Train Wins
80 posted on 02/07/2019 4:09:39 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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