Posted on 07/21/2018 10:33:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
“That is why he was not arrested for the shooting. “
Then why did they refer the case to the State’s Attorney?
Your guy 2 did nothing but speak and WOW that NBC piece was bias.
That’s what you’re doing.
Own it, chump.
“No I did not miss the two steps back - or the forward movement, or the side-step, or the sustained attack posture. “
I watched frame by frame. After two back steps his left foot moved at 90 degrees to the shooter putting the dudes side to the shooter. There was no forward movement.
What you see is ‘sustained attack posture’ was the dude getting hit.
“That’s what you’re doing. Own it, chump.”
ROTFLMAO! See your name in the papers someday?
Again. I agree with you
Holler at the doctors of us that doesnt
That said, it's too bad that with a certain subculture in our society, there's a non-trivial chance that any verbal disagreement will escalate to violence. You should be able to point out that a person is misusing a handicapped space without getting physically attacked and having to make a snap decision about lethal force that will follow you the rest of your life.
Any detail gleaned about either the event itself or the players can provide perhaps important context.
E.g., now I hear that this guy was a busy-body constantly harassing people about missteps with handicap zones. Like a cop who feels the power and likes rubbing it in. Not that these people were OK being in the space, but the point is it sounds like he tends to be pushy and perhaps a bit of a power-hungry do-gooder.
Ipso facto, his trigger finger may be in question.
I didn’t realize the parking lot being full was a valid excuse for parking in a handicapped space?
Seems like a pretty simple situation that got terribly out of hand.
I respect your opinion a lot, and did that - watch the vid slowed down to clearly establish the sequence of actions. You had me pretty well convinced. What I saw:
The deceased blindsides and knocks the shooter to the ground, hard.
Shooter recovers (to sitting position on the ground) as deceased continues to advance and take threatening stance. Girlfriend has backed off and does not again advance.
Shooter begins to go for gun - deceased recognizes this, his advance halts and reverses. THIS is the beginning of the shooter’s “retreat”: The time from the push to this instant all fits under “threatening stance” by the deceased. At the beginning of the retreat it looks to me as though the deceased is 3’ or slightly less from the shooter — the angle could be a bit deceiving. Certainly the deceased is VERY dangerously close and in an aggressive posture up to this instant.
Shooter visibly produces gun - deceased continues to retreat.
Shooter carefully (considering the circumstances) takes aim - deceased continues retreat but it slows and he moves slightly to his right - shooter continues aim and fires once.
(Fatally wounded) deceased flees to store.
Now, looked at that way, I agree it looks bad for the shooter, and it appears he shot in retaliation for the knockdown.
However, then one has to replay the vid again a few times in “real time”, and put oneself in the shoes of the shooter as someone who likely has little training in simulation of such an event, including “I” have just been violently & unexpectedly knocked down, and who knows how high my adrenaline just went. Put another way, I’m NOT trained in getting off quick, accurate shots, or not, in a high stress situation including physical shock to myself, and I doubt the shooter was either. In that context, this happened FAST, and I really doubt the shooter had time to evaluate more than “survive”, “take good aim” (at a somewhat moving threat) and “fire”. There’s just not enough time to really “think” about what the deceased is doing from the time the gun is pulled out, to the shot, unless the deceased does something really obvious like throwing his hands up in the air.
Now... I know some FReepers claim to have lightning fast brains that can accurately assess and respond to all aspects of any unexpected situation in a second. Most of us humans are not in that category. :-)
Or maybe :-(
:-)
It wasn’t full when the deceased first pulled in, there were plenty of open spaces.
Maybe I should start all my posts to you with ROTFLMAO!
Would that earn me some internet cool points?
As far as seeing my name in the papers someday, maybe, no one knows what the future holds. Just look for chris37, then when you see it you an roll on the floor and laugh your ass off some more, since that seems to be something you enjoy very much.
Meanwhile, I’m going to enjoy this dead thug. Hey man, nice shot :)
Don’t forget about the guy following the assailant out of the store after the shove. Freeze the frame at the 20 second mark of the NYP video and imagine yourself as the victim there.
You answered the wrong question.
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No, I answered the right question. I just didn’t give the answer you wanted.
If I pull my gun, I’ll do it to stop a threat, and protect my life or the life of my family.
It may be true, that you should never pull your gun unless you plan on using it. However, that doesn’t mean that you are required to shoot even when the person is no longer a threat.
What if the guy turned around instead of just backing up?
Do you think it’s okay to shoot someone in the back?
“The perhaps-intended consequence of the last few years of race-baiting. This is how the CW starts...one little thing at a time.”
Damned straight! And you can bet that the “democratic socialists” are going to be fanning these flames right up to the November elections, hoping that they can get one started.
“Wow, that sure is low standards for self defense. The guy who hit him was retreating.”
But replace the civilian on the ground with a cop, and there would be “no doubt” this was a good shoot!
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