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Showdown in Moscow looms
The Washington Times ^ | Dec 28, 2017 | L. Todd Wood

Posted on 12/30/2017 11:43:57 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose

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To: littleharbour

No that was the Clintons.


21 posted on 12/30/2017 12:52:42 PM PST by McGruff (Lock Her Up! In a Padded Cell!)
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To: GoldenState_Rose
Living standards have gone down (especially for people outside the big cities) - but not to dire straits or “Revolution” status.

I agree. The Russians can put up with a lot of crap out of fear that change = worse crap. The only thing that would really change this is a lot of dead Russian boys coming home in coffins from somewhere.

22 posted on 12/30/2017 1:29:06 PM PST by henkster
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To: Monty22002

Ain’t nobody got time fo’ editors!

Watch one of these days it will be:

“He could loose”

Just wait for it.


23 posted on 12/30/2017 2:18:10 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

24 posted on 12/30/2017 2:27:13 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Russia’s not going to experience a color revolution. The last time the US tried to start one Russia incepted 360 million in cash meant to fund it(2014). Russian intel is all over the NGO’s and other groups the state department sets these up with.


25 posted on 12/30/2017 2:38:05 PM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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To: GoldenState_Rose
>>Wow, we’ve gotten to a point where Americans are
>>so disillusioned with their own country they’d rather
>>see a “dear leader” Putin serve for life.

<
"Flexibility"

26 posted on 12/30/2017 2:38:28 PM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: JohnyBoy

Color revolution - no.

Putin regime disintegrating - yes. Already happening. Ask the sanctioned oligarchs scrambling for their accounts.


27 posted on 12/30/2017 2:42:23 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

>Putin regime disintegrating - yes. Already happening. Ask the sanctioned oligarchs scrambling for their accounts.

During the 70s and 80s, the US and most of the rest of the world sanctioned the crap out of South Africa. The standard of living dropped and then 5-10 years later it went through the roof. The primary results of sanctions were to force raw materials exporting economy to become an industrial economy which made South Africa very rich.

Russia’s in the same boat that South Africa. Sanctions are only going to force the re-industrialization of Russia an end goal that I suspect Putin wants.


28 posted on 12/30/2017 2:54:47 PM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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To: JohnyBoy

Well it’s taken him an awfully long time to do that. So I suppose that will be his campaign slogan the THIRD time around. Only last week did he suggest the following:

“Putin Asks Rich Russians To Bring Back $1 Trillion As Sanctions “Pressure Gets Worse”

“Russian President Vladimir Putin is backing a capital amnesty plan in hopes that wealthy Russians will repatriate some of their overseas assets, a move that could bolster the Russian economy as U.S. sanctions take hold.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/27/putin-asks-rich-russians-to-bring-back-1-trillion-as-sanctions-pressure-gets-worse/


29 posted on 12/30/2017 3:00:25 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

“Perhaps she did...but this past year’s phase of protests is a whole different enchilada...Russians came out in droves not just in hippie hippie St. P and Moscow — but the provinces and outlying regions as well...aka Putin country. The heartland.”

Are you serious? Your post is like claiming that the Antifa riots in Berkeley and New York City are a harbinger to the imminent overthrow of the United States by the communist snowflakes.

You’re reading way too many comicbooks, Rose.


30 posted on 12/30/2017 3:31:24 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

I left the country just before the latest round of protests so I will have to be there again to gauge...From what I hear now: people are frustrated, but situation is not so bad that people want to join a revolution. Some millennials will stop by the protests and sign petitions. The most passionate ones are those who spend a lot of time in the U.S. (visiting relatives, studying abroad etc...) and they feel the differences in livelihoods and freedom a lot more starkly than people who don’t travel a lot. They tend to be less patient about change.

The real timeline is not so much what takes place between now and next March (though anything CAN still happen, even in Russia...) -> but what takes place between now and 2024, which is when Putin’s final term is set to “end.”

And the issue is not even just about dissent from the population, but the instability brewing within Putin’s own inner circle of oligarchs et al.


31 posted on 12/30/2017 3:45:29 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

If you want to gage protests that work, revisit the Egyptian street demonstrations to overthrow the Muslim Brotherhood. Or check out the building demonstrations in Poland and Hungary to crush the EU fascists.

It’s a matter of scale. The small protests in Russia don’t have the horsepower to throw out Putin. That’s why I compared them to the pitiable snowflake Antifa protests in Berkeley.

Cheers.


32 posted on 12/30/2017 4:15:06 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

The Putin system may cave from within without the help of massive protests...


33 posted on 12/30/2017 4:38:05 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: JohnyBoy
Sanctions are only going to force the re-industrialization of Russia an end goal that I suspect Putin wants.

Good point.

This has already happened to some extent as Russian agriculture and domestic manufacturing have grown to fill the gap from the loss of EU imports.

In very real terms the economic sanctions have hurt Europe and made Russia stronger.

It also didn't hurt that Russia has a business oriented foreign policy and a charismatic leader capable of making big deals with foreign governments.

34 posted on 12/30/2017 4:43:32 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

> In very real terms the economic sanctions have hurt Europe and made Russia stronger.

Which is why Europe wants so desperately to drop them.

Free trade is an interesting beast. A free trading raw material export orientated nation will never be able to industrialize. Such nations export raw materials in exchange for finished goods thus the cost of local raw materials will always be too high to encourage new local manufacturing.


35 posted on 12/30/2017 5:04:50 PM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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To: JohnyBoy

Russian teenagers on protests and Putin - BBC News
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKzlg9ErxQ

Related BBC propaganda. Stupidity is flowing but worth watching for educational purpose.

After 70 years of leftist waste it is really hard to turn a mature person with some real life experience on their side so they are now after kids.


36 posted on 12/30/2017 10:54:16 PM PST by NorseViking
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