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How Trophy Hunting Can Save Lions
perc.org ^ | 7 August, 2015 | Terry Anderson, Shown Regan

Posted on 11/20/2017 3:59:15 AM PST by marktwain

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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

There was a study I believe by the Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation which found around 3 percent of hunting revenues went back into conservation. If countries can prove that their populations are being maintained sustainably there are exemptions already available that allow for trophy hunting under the Endangered Species Act.


21 posted on 11/20/2017 5:36:01 AM PST by erlayman (yw)
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To: central_va
It is pretty hypocritical for any American to critique wild life management in Africa. Our track record is horrible. We virtually wiped out every grey wolf in the lower 48 and tried to kill every mountain lion and bear but were less successful. It’s not for trying though. If the wolf population was at pre Colombian levels to you think feral pigs would be running loose everywhere?

I don't know about the "track record" you speak of. I suppose we would have to develop some time lines and investigate it, with regards to the wolf population. We have certainly evolved and gotten smarter over the decades about managing wildlife. But there are some things to consider with regards to preservation of certain species.

The predatory wildlife in the USA is certainly making an aggressive come back. If the wolf population were to thrive in the south, they could certainly help with the destructive feral hogs and such. But they would also, or maybe more likely, kill the easier prey that is penned up, slower and more nutritious for them. They would likely also kill cattle. It wouldn't be long before there would be a cry to "cull the wolf packs" and the cycle would start again.

As others have said, many places have an overpopulation of deer. In most of the USA, deer do not have natural predators. When they overpopulate, they starve, get sick and spread disease through the herds. With natural predators, the weak and diseased would get eaten. The only problem is, predators are lazy creatures too. They eat the easiest meal to catch. If two or three wolves are considering a deer or a cow for dinner, it might not take them long to figure out that the domesticated cow is like room service compared to chasing down a deer.

It's a complicated balance, IMO. The real nature lovers work hard at finding the right balance. The do good planet loving human hating liberals make a career out of complaining and crying about hatred and evil without regards to reality or consequences.

22 posted on 11/20/2017 5:41:45 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being rich or stupid!)
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To: Tenacious 1
But they would also, or maybe more likely, kill the easier prey that is penned up, slower and more nutritious for them. They would likely also kill cattle.

This would apply to Africa too. Face it we are hypocrites. Predators for thee but for me.

23 posted on 11/20/2017 5:48:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marktwain
Conservation via hunting can be a good thing when managed properly - sometimes it can be bastardized by those who kill for the thrill of a trophy. Not up on the state of the lion/elephant populations but it seems that they may not be going about it with "pure" intentions.

While most hunters understand and utilize the concept properly there are also a clique that could care less about conservation if they get their "trophy".

24 posted on 11/20/2017 5:50:06 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: central_va
Deer etc. are running around with nothing to control the pollution.

You may have meant "population", although WRT whitetail deer "pollution" makes a certain amount of ironic sense. I'd rather the excess deer be killed with a Winchester than with a Ford ... the former method does less damage to human life and property.

25 posted on 11/20/2017 5:51:59 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
I read your other posts, I just don't believe that a) conservation in Africa doesn't have "that much" corruption and that b) the ideal economic incentive approach to conservation works in Africa.

If you wanna' help protect lions then train, equip, and directly fund the anti-poacher patrols rather than filtering all aid through a corrupt system. After a few tourist hunters are shot and killed, the pool of potential hunters will be greatly reduced. In fact, with increased risk, in areas where it's difficult to escape with your trophy the pool of potential hunters will fall to zero.

JMHo

26 posted on 11/20/2017 5:59:20 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: dfwgator

LOL! Post of the day......


27 posted on 11/20/2017 6:02:37 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: NorthMountain

Unfortunately it is true that birth control methods have yet proved effective in controlling populations of wild, free-ranging deer. But that is the best case long term scenario. And experimental efforts are still in a very early research stage.


28 posted on 11/20/2017 6:05:19 AM PST by erlayman (yw)
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To: erlayman
But that is the best case long term scenario.

I don't agree. Best case long term scenario is more folks get off their butts and go hunting.

29 posted on 11/20/2017 6:07:52 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: central_va

People hunt all over the place here but the deer have started to congregate in places where it is no hunting...like my neighborhood which is adjacent to the National Forest. we are overrun with deer.


30 posted on 11/20/2017 6:12:02 AM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Tenacious 1

Cows come in herds. A herd of cattle is a dangerous entity to a wolf. Even domestic cows will kill a wolf.


31 posted on 11/20/2017 6:14:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: marktwain
Here in Michigan, decades ago you could only get one buck deer tag, does were illegal to shoot.

Then they said you could apply for a doe tag but they were limited.

Then anyone could get a doe tag along with a buck tag.

Now you can get a buck tag for rife, one for bow, one for black powder as well as a doe tag for each of those venues (I think....).

With that being said, this year they said that all deer shot in Michigan had to be tested for chronic wasting disease........

32 posted on 11/20/2017 6:16:59 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: central_va
This would apply to Africa too. Face it we are hypocrites. Predators for thee but for me.

I don't think I am disagreeing with your overly simplistic "we are hypocrites" argument when considering the whole history of humanity. I guess we are. But your standard of hypocrisy can be applied to most human endeavors, in that case, and often is applied by liberals to make their political points.

We are hypocrites because we would rather send food and water to 3rd world countries than help them build a power power plant and water treatment plants and aqueducts. We don't want them polluting the erf.

We would rather ban DDT at the expense of 3rd world poor people who die in large numbers from malaria in order to protect them from diseased fish that has never been proven. So many preventable deaths occur so 1st world citizens can feel good about protecting the environment. Yea, we are hypocrites.

33 posted on 11/20/2017 6:17:37 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being rich or stupid!)
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To: marktwain

But.....

Butttttttttt........................

It’s all about MY FEEELINGS!!!!!!!!!!


34 posted on 11/20/2017 6:20:08 AM PST by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
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To: NorthMountain

It simply isn’t a long term solution. When part of the population is removed, especially males, new animals migrate in, or the remaining numbers rebound due to food abundance.


35 posted on 11/20/2017 6:21:57 AM PST by erlayman (yw)
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To: erlayman
When part of the population is removed, especially males

That's why we shoot (and eat) does as well as bucks.

36 posted on 11/20/2017 6:24:13 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: AppyPappy
Cows come in herds. A herd of cattle is a dangerous entity to a wolf. Even domestic cows will kill a wolf.

Oh, yea! Like the buffalo herds in Yellow Stone. That must be why wolves don't eat the buffalo, they fight back.

(I do get your point. Cattle in herds may not be "an easy" kill as I supposed when compared to wild boar. It's a fair point. Chickens and goats on the other hand....) ;o)

37 posted on 11/20/2017 6:24:40 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being rich or stupid!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Sheep. The sheep farmer down the road eventually gave up. Coyotes and even dogs were wiping him out.


38 posted on 11/20/2017 6:26:43 AM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: marktwain

Thank you for posting this article. So-called “do gooders” would rather see a species become extinct than endorse hunting, just so they can feel good about themselves. They cannot make the connection to the consequences.

I come from a family that is a mix of hunters and wackos. The wacks argument is tiresome and is based entirely on emotion and a polyanna view that somehow these poor nations can maintain the herds on there own with little revenue.

The hunting side is based entirely on fact, reality and economics.

But that’s the way it is with lib-wackos on just about any topic du jour.


39 posted on 11/20/2017 6:53:48 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: billorites

Trump is right about the elephants and the trophy hunters.
It is a horror show. I doubt he will reverse the ban and thank God he made an informed decision on the murder of such magnificent creatures for their ivory.


40 posted on 11/20/2017 7:19:02 AM PST by katiedidit1
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