Posted on 09/02/2017 6:21:23 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
Eyeballs cannot be hacked. Where were the lookouts??
“The McCain was rammed. Period.”
It was nearly T-boned perpendicular. No ship runs across traffic in a shipping channel. Like a road, they all go the same direction.
Navy Brass needs to call the Coast Guard and ask about classified Navigation Systems... it wasn't the ships that were hacked... it was the....
I have no doubt some idiot will chime in somewhere on this thread and say it’s all a conspiratorial cover-up.
>>So how does the USS McCain manage to get itself in front of the Alnic MC and get hit?<<
First, what you read about something being a mile wide is true, but it’s not the purple stripe. Instead, it’s 1.1 nm from the purple stripe over to the right side of the traffic lane (indicated by the fine gray line to the right of the ships.)
Given that distance is just over a nm, let’s call it 2000 yards. The ships are therefore much closer to each other than the half mile you assume. The Team Oslo passed the Alnic to starboard within what looks like just a few hundred yards. And in that area was the McCain. In other words, it was very congested.
If you replay the video, you can see a trailing ship, the Ghang Zhou Wan, actually turn to starboard from its original course coming up on the port side of the Alnic and then return to course after that move. (See .50 to .55 on the video, a span of about six minutes in all.) That move could very well be the result of the captain of that ship seeing a mess developing ahead and steering away from it.
In other words, the captain of the McCain somehow managed to get surrounded by large ships and the result was a collision.
Re the USN incidents: we completely agree on our shared concern that there apparently were no (or, insufficient -- or, worse, ignored) "Mark One eyeball-brain sensor systems" in action!
So if I understand correctly the purple stripe may only be a couple of hundred yards wide and the Alnic MC was only a hundred yards or so to the starboard of the purple stripe.
With the exception of the Hyundai Global the other ships in the cluster around Alnic MC are traveling at around 10 knots.
Thus it appears the USS McCain executes a port turn directly into the path of the Alnic MC who has no place to go because it is already traveling near the purple stripe.
And if they had found hacking they would have raced to tell the world? I don’t think so.
Hopefully not too obtuse. I was saying “Sure, you can trust your government to always tell the truth.”
I know most of you feel much the way I do, and feel some degree of irritation (to put it kindly) for people who think these collisions are the result of some kind of hack or electronic interference, and I have come to believe that they are susceptible to these fantasies and conspiracy theories for three reasons:
1.) They don't understand Navy/Maritime procedures
2.) They place far too much reliance on the infallibility of electronic systems and believe in inordinate dependence on those systems.
3.) They fail to account for simple human nature, which does not change and makes humans prone to mistakes, not realizing that weaknesses in human nature can be mitigated to a fair degree by strict behavior modification (via training and organizational discipline) to minimize it from becoming a root cause in a mishap.
I mean, look at this account of the Kinkaid collision. I can see them all arguing about their position, while someone on the bridge (probably some poor Seaman Apprentice) butts in and says:
SEAMAN APPRENTICE: "Uh, sir, we have a merchant vessel at 70 degrees making right for us..."
OOD:"Don't interrupt us, we are trying to get this straightened out!"
SEAMAN APPRENTICE:"But, sir...that ship..."
NAVIGATOR:"SHUT UP OR YOU WON'T SEE THE BEACH FOR A MONTH!"
(Note: not saying that happened on the Kinkaid or any specific vessel. Just an example of people acting oddly under stress, not the way they were trained to perform) For those of us who pay attention to this kind of thing, it is like watching re-runs of old horror movies.
Girl, don't go in there.
Girl, don't open that door.
Girl, you're being chased, don't run to the most desolate and un-populated environment that will certainly turn out to be an inescapable dead end.
Girl, even though you are a high school track star and can run marathons, and the psycho killer has a pronounced limp and can't pursue you much more effectively than an old lady with a walker, you know he is going to catch you.
Naval Personnel, you have sophisticated electronic gear that can spot an incoming missile at Mach 3 and guide a warhead to it, but you are going to deviate from seafaring and navigation protocols and procedures, lose your focus, panic, and get a hole punched in your side.
If the ending didn't continue to be so fascinatingly gruesome and egregious each time it happens (much the way the psycho killer ALWAY catches the stupid girl in a dead end with no escape and brutally murders her) we would have stopped paying attention to it years ago.
I think we’ll find that the McCain’s captain was unaware of the Alnic until almost the moment of the collision because he was too busy trying to avoid the Team Oslo coming up the starboard side of the Alnic, and therefore, right at the McCain.
Similarly, I think we’ll find that the Fitzgerald bridge was unaware of the presence of the Crystal because it was more concerned with avoiding the Wan Hai at the time. That one looked much more avoidable given the distance involved, but still occurred. The McCain was really in the middle of a lot of traffic at the time of the collision.
Yeah that can happen if you park your car across the middle of a freeway.
You forget, they spent 1B modifying the per cruiser to modify them for women. I don’t know what the destroyers cost.
that’s how it looked to me ! If you see it different that’s fine with me
It's almost like it sped up and cut across in front of the Alnic, and immediately stopped dead in the water. I know that is an assumption, but we are lacking in evidence in both cases (McCain and Fitzgerald) because they Navy has not/will not provide their tracking info.
The guy on watch was in the toilet. His team was in the lounge.
AND YET, somehow as a child, I was able to take a V-8 powered speedboat and navigate heavy traffic, heavy waves with no radar, no GPS, no help whatsoever. Never ran into another boat, no matter how big or small. And most of the time I was going FULL SPEED.
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