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Investigation Reveals Navy At Fault For Massive USS Fitzgerald Collision
dailycaller.com ^ | 7/21/2017 | Jonah Bennett

Posted on 07/21/2017 10:42:18 AM PDT by rktman

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To: Bull Snipe
👹 MM' are always way to busy to "enjoy" themselves. But, it's nice and dark in CIC. One DE, 3 DDs. Just sayin'.
41 posted on 07/21/2017 11:42:22 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Gamecock

Complacency makes the impossible inevitable.


42 posted on 07/21/2017 11:42:36 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: Gideon7

Yeah, wait for official statements- not CNN hoopla.
But the Fitz was obviously at fault. ‘Social experimentation’ will probably be the cause.
But let’s see.


43 posted on 07/21/2017 11:44:08 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Yosemitest

“””The container ship neither had its running lights or transponder on”””


The problem with ‘loving and concerned Navy mother’s’ story is that the ACX Crystal did have its transponder on and that is why we know the path of the ACX Crystal. Unlike the Navy ships that apparently like to go ‘stealth’ in high traffic.

The US Navy has had six weeks to ‘investigate’ the collision. The longer the Navy waits to divulge the more guilty they become.

The Free Republic analysts have done a great job dissecting the collison. Too bad we cannot say the same about the mainstream media and Navy bloggers. At this point it appears the Fitzgerald will be found solely negligent.


44 posted on 07/21/2017 11:46:09 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: LonePalm

Let us hope that the absolute consequences for failure of a Navy Officer to successfully execute his mission when he is given all but absolute control and necessary resources to do that job do not weaken.

35 years of attack can understandably weaken just about any system’s resolve.


45 posted on 07/21/2017 11:46:33 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: LonePalm

add QMOW and the Navigator (probably dual hatted as the Ops boss) who should have been called by the QMOW.


46 posted on 07/21/2017 11:52:07 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: IronJack

I don’t know if the specific container ship involved had what you’re calling a “bottlenose” hull (aka “bulbous bow”) but the overwhelming majority of newer tanker and container and even cruise ships have these. As I understand it, their biggest advantage is canceling out *some* of the bow wave which gets more important in the narrow (narrow, especially in relation to the larger size of modern ships) channels they sometimes operate in. The bulbs do NOT reduce resistance through the water at all speeds. Only when the ship is making enough speed to where the bulb generates a “counter” wave that partially cancels the normal bow wave. At very slow speeds, the bulb is an increase in the wetted surface and physics says there is thus more resistance.


47 posted on 07/21/2017 11:52:43 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

The OOD likely was asleep and trusted his bridge crew to navigate. They might have been women and the Navy doesn’t want the public to know about that detail. The Captain, unfortunately will be the scapegoat, although he was sleeping in his quarters.


48 posted on 07/21/2017 11:53:19 AM PDT by davidb56
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To: CedarDave
What part of CBDR (Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range) did they NOT understand?

That is drilled into every one standing a bridge or CIC watch from the OOD down to the aft lookout. Even my Quartermaster of the Watch and Boatswain's Mate of the Watch understood that.

The OS on the surface search radar in Combat should have been screaming "CBDR" from the moment he first detected the contact's lack of bearing drift or if the contact would pass inside the minimum CPA (Closest Point of Approach).

The CICWO and JOOD had a duty to call for the Captain if they thought the ship was in danger and the OOD wasn't acting.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

49 posted on 07/21/2017 11:53:52 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: rktman

What about constant bearing, decreasing range couldn’t they understand?

I subscribe to the U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings. Each year there is one issue where they list each commissioned ship, and they have picture of each Navy admiral. For as long as I can remember, there have always been more admirals than commissioned ships.


50 posted on 07/21/2017 11:54:12 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Enterprise

“And no steenkin’ merchant ship would have caused as much damage.”

That is just crazy talk. 20,000 tons moving at 27 knots T-bones your 8,900 sea going Ferrari there is going to be lots of damage. Very lucky we didn’t loose the whole ship and more of the crew.


51 posted on 07/21/2017 11:59:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: AndyJackson
Given the size of the Fitzgerald's wardroom I would expect the Navigator to be an Ensign or more likely a JG while the Ops Boss would be a LT doing a Department Head tour. CHENG and Weaps are likely LCDRs.

Given the distance from land, I don't expect the Navigator has anything to worry about unless he was one of the derelict watch standers.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

52 posted on 07/21/2017 12:00:37 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: ExSES
Did anyone else find some irony in the ship being named Fitzgerald...?

Yeah, they retire hurricane names when there's been a disaster. You'd think they'd retire ship names, too. Even though the Edmund Fitzgerald was a private freighter.

53 posted on 07/21/2017 12:05:49 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: exit82

So that must have been the part that struck the Fitz below the waterline. The visible damage all seems to be to the superstructure, and I’ve been wondering how any of that flooded.


54 posted on 07/21/2017 12:07:41 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Yup it had a large bulbous bow


55 posted on 07/21/2017 12:09:44 PM PDT by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Bull Snipe

Is there no automatic alarm during these days of amazing digital technology?


56 posted on 07/21/2017 12:17:53 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Is it not too late to appoint a special counsel to investigate Hillary's crimes?)
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To: exit82

Pictures of the freighter show the symbol for the bulb nose, on the bow by the depth markings


Thank for pointing that out ol..looking at the photo the water is so clear you can see it below the water


57 posted on 07/21/2017 12:29:30 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
There are several reports of an earlier ship coming within close proximity of the USS Fitzgerald,
and that was just before all the lights on the ship went out.
This might have been an EMP Generator attack from another ship; or a curse missile or drone, that knocked them off line.

Read this And read Did Crystal's Pinoys Deliberately Ram USS Fitzgerald? Please be sure you check those links to get the full articles.
58 posted on 07/21/2017 12:30:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Who was in the chain of command and responsible???


59 posted on 07/21/2017 12:35:29 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation camp?)
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To: Eddie01

Could not think of one


60 posted on 07/21/2017 12:37:05 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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