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A history of why the US is the only rich country without universal health care
Quartz ^ | 7/18/2017 | Annalisa Merelli

Posted on 07/19/2017 8:41:57 AM PDT by Incorrigible

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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
How the hell is a country that’s nearly $20 trillion in debt considered to be a “rich” country?

Puttin up a front

41 posted on 07/19/2017 11:58:52 AM PDT by Database
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To: Incorrigible
that once people had had a taste of increased health-care security with Obamacare, they wouldn't easily forget it.

I would argue that many don't feel any additional security with Obamacare, especially if they weren't paying anything to begin with; i.e., those on Medicaid.

For those that ARE paying for their healthcare, I would say we feel less secure, knowing that they're paying an ever-increasing amount for care, and in many cases they question whether or not they should see a doctor at all. "Is that pain something serious?" they wonder. "Is that migraine normal, or just something I can take some pain reliever to handle?"

In a single-payer system, people will have a sense of security, knowing the government will give them all the healthcare they need...until the government doesn't. The word "ration" won't ever be mentioned in their doctor's offices, but they will happen.

42 posted on 07/19/2017 12:07:16 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Incorrigible
Long article, so I'll just post a few random comments I thought of.

Of this burden, an estimated two thirds falls on the government's shoulders, when one accounts for entitlements (Medicare and Medicaid),

Actually, an entitlement would be more like Tricare - a benefit promised in return for signing that blank check. Medicaid is just simple welfare. Medicare is half-n-half, some of the funding comes from your payroll taxes.

The lack of universal health-care coverage tends to be hardest on racial minorities who, being more likely to be poor, are more likely to be on welfare.

Of course, the race card. His statement is backwards - if minorities tend to be more poor, they have an easier time getting Medicaid. Not that coverage = care, but "coverage" is what "universal health care" actually means. Also, since hospitals are required to treat anyone who shows up (even for a cough or a hangnail), they can still easily get in (especially illegal aliens!) and get care then sneak out without paying at all.

Paying more for less

His points here are pretty spot-on: just like eliminating the crazy tax code (as good as that would be) would put all the tax companies out of business, fixing the situation would hurt a lot of the people involved in the bureaucracy, making changes that much more difficult.

What about Bernie though

What about him? His following is a bunch of loonies and kids who have no idea of how the real world works. Maybe try separating the polling question into two groups - people who pay taxes, and people who don't. See who agrees with Bernie/universal health care then!

Gallup's polls suggest that after a few years of skepticism Americans are again warming up to the idea that health care should be a government responsibility.

Ok, cool. If the American populace really really wants this, then AMEND THE CONSTITUTION. There's a process for the government taking powers it doesn't have - obtaining it from the people. If we could just have real leadership that cuts every FedGov program not in the Constitution (not even bothering with repealing 16/17th Amendments yet), we would go a long way to fixing so many of these problems. Above and beyond this article.
43 posted on 07/19/2017 12:09:51 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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I forgot to mention this above, cause the article doesn’t get into it - medical research. No one in the world comes close to matching us in terms of research into procedures, drugs, etc.

The only possible exception to this is Israel, who has universal health care with good research. But I would hazard a guess that more works only because they’re small, very homogenous, and don’t have the same ideals of freedom/individuality as we do.


44 posted on 07/19/2017 12:13:38 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

Nothing about Israel makes sense. It does function in many ways as a family, which is far different from the typical functioning of a nation-state.


45 posted on 07/19/2017 12:16:34 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: bigdaddy45

If your idea of speaking delicately and kindly is being an asshole I’d say you need to rethink your approach.


46 posted on 07/19/2017 12:21:39 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Incorrigible; All
Thank you for referencing that article Incorrigible. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

As a side note to this thread from related threads …

As patriots read the following material, please bear this in mind. Smart crooks long ago figured out that getting themselves elected to federal office to make unconstitutional tax appropriation laws to fill their pockets is a much easier way to make a living than robbing banks.

Speaking of US healthcare history, patriots are reminded that the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for INTRAstate healthcare purposes. (Neither have the states constitutionally authorized most other domestic social spending programs that the corrupt feds are now running.) This is because the Founding States had given the care of the people uniquely to the states, not the feds, evidenced by the 10th Amendment. (This is also evidenced by the excerpts at the bottom of this post.)

Sadly, voters have only themselves to blame for the unconstitutionally big federal government on their backs imo.

More specifically, corrupt federal politicians seized the opportunity provided by the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (17A) to get themselves elected. Politicians used 17A to exploit citizens by “promising” low-information voters federal social spending programs, programs that the feds never had the constitutional authority to establish.

And since such voters had evidently never been taught about federal government’s constitutionally limited powers, misguided citizens swallowed the bait on such promises, unthinking using their voting power to unconstitutionally expand the federal government’s powers by electing such politicians — scam city; caveat emptor.

And with the exception of the US Mail Service (1.8.7), even though the states otherwise uniquely have the 10th Amendment-protected power to establish the social spending programs that the feds are now illegally running, the states cannot afford to run their own programs. This because the feds have been effectively stealing state revenues by means of unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes which the feds use to run their unconstitutional spending programs.

In fact, when low-information state lawmakers, and likewise constitutionally-challenged state officials, brag about winning federal grants for budget-starved state social spending services, food stamp and welfare programs great examples, not only can it be argued that state officials are actually recovering state revenues stolen by the feds when they receive “federal” funding for these services, but also consider this.

The corrupt feds typically use such funding to unconstitutionally expand the fed’s powers by requiring the states to comply with unconstitutional federal regulations in order to receive such funding.

Again, big-time scamming by a corrupt, unconstitutionally big federal government.

Are we having fun yet? :^P

Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!

Since corrupt Congress is the biggest part of the swamp imo, it is actually up to patriots to drain the swamp in the 2018 elections, patriots supporting Trump by electing as many new members of Congress as they can who will support Trump.

In the meanwhile, patriots need to make sure that there are plenty of Trump-supporting candidates on the primary ballots.

Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.

Patriots also need to make sure that candidates are knowledgeable of the authoritative clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed below. They are excerpts from the writings of Thomas Jefferson, previous generations of state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justice, and Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker. These excerpts should help patriots to better understand big-time corruption in the federal government.

Regarding Obama’s justices bluffing that the Obamacare insurance mandate is constitutional for example, consider the fifth entry in the list from Paul v. Virginia. In that case the Court clarified that the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers does not include regulating contracts, including insurance contracts, regardless if the parties negotiating the insurance contract are domiciled in different states.

Patriots also need to make sure that federal candidates on the 2018 primary ballots, unlike the current RINO-controlled Congress, will be willing to use Congress’s 14th Amendment power to strengthen constitutionally enumerated rights when states abridge those rights, strengthening 1st Amendment-protected religious expression for example, when misguided, pro-LGBT states enforce Christian-hating policies.

47 posted on 07/19/2017 12:30:26 PM PDT by Amendment10
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By the way, the United States is the only country, rich or poor, who has a Constitution and Bill of Rights.

What are you talking about? Here's a link to constitutions around the world - 190 of them. Another list, straight from Wikipedia. I didn't count these though. I haven't read it, but the Mexican constitution from 1824 is supposedly a pretty close copy of the US Constitution. Unfortunately, it was replaced in the Mexican uprisings in the early 1900s.

As for the Bill of Rights, that's no special thing. It's just the first ten amendments that were accepted into the Constitution (actually proposed amendments 3-12, amendments one and two were voted down). Some of the rights elaborated in the BoR are already present in other constitutions. The BoR was even debated about being needed, since it lists citizen rights, which some framers didn't think was necessary, as the opposites of those rights wasn't empowered to the government under Art I-8. They were only included to better establish that we retained those rights, and Amendment Nine/Ten was included to fully endorse the limits on the FedGov.
48 posted on 07/19/2017 12:31:19 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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What I meant was we have a unique Constitution based upon God-given natural rights and liberty. Does anyone else, for example, have the equivalent of our 2A for the purpose of resisting tyranny?

I don’t believe anyone else really does.

If there are some that even come close to what we have been blessed with, then I stand corrected.


49 posted on 07/19/2017 12:55:33 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Svartalfiar

And also Israel (like a lot of countries) gets big foreign aid from us. They can afford to divert money into non-mil stuff when they are subsidized on the mil side


50 posted on 07/19/2017 1:31:09 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: Amendment10

Wow! You should submit that as an article to one of the popular conservative news websites!


51 posted on 07/19/2017 1:57:16 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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The author of this drivel seems to be unaware of the Veterans Administration, a marvel of “single-payer” sloth and corruption.


52 posted on 07/20/2017 4:14:21 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Because she’s on the verge of figuring it out on her own. Why interfere with that process?


53 posted on 07/20/2017 3:07:45 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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