Posted on 04/02/2017 8:28:40 PM PDT by Elderberry
The prosecution could easily enough bring a solid case against some limited number of defendants, minus the "conspiracy", element, perhaps.
For that element they need people to talk, and hopefully incriminate themselves. Or else ---snitches--- who in fear of their own lives (20 to life in prison) could be pressured into saying just about ANy_THing -- and that's a problem.
Coerced testimony is inherently tainted. Crush one testicle -- and a fella' will say ANY_Thing to try to keep the other one from being crushed.
Going by the various videotape segments that have thus far made their way into public view, some limited number of defendants do appear quite possibly guilty of having committed unlawful assault, perhaps even murder ---in a few instances.
The rest of the defendants --- not so much. Not according to matching the charges filed and sworn to.
Which makes Renya and Co. into being a bunch of g-d'd LIARS when they filed papers claiming they did have enough ---when they first brought the collectively vague allegations before a Court. That part, regardless of eventual outcomes, is irrefutable.
It serves no one well to commit sins in order to rectify/deal with sins committed by others.
That Renya & Co. (and the Feds, in the background, and in lead-up to the events that happened in Waco) possibly have some justification for charges filed against some limited number of defendants, does mean they have all justification in regards to each and every defendant. This is the big problem, and is where miscarriage of justice has more than just an off-chance of occurring.
Listen to the dweeb you've been talking to. Examine his comments here, and on other threads, carefully. What is he pressing for? He's trying to make it be that if defendants do not abandon 5th Amendment constitutional rights, they are in danger of being convicted of criminal conspiracy for which they personally did not "conspire" to be part of.
If that is not the case ---- then what's up with his predicting a large number of defendants will end up being charged with (plead guilty to?) offenses bringing less than one year's incarceration? That would mean they either; did not commit the multiple felonies which they were all equally charged with, or else it is the DA's office who is "working at getting murderers set free" ---so the DA can more easily convict a limited number of the 154 who were (absolutely) one and all, identically indicted.
They pound the table saying they have enough to be able to have reason to expect to be able to convict each defendant --- but they do not, not if neutral principles of law were to be neutrally applied ---not relying upon judge's, and/or juries own personal prejudices to be THE deciding factors.
It is an impossibility Renya had enough to win conviction for all when he first took it to a grand jury-- unless local-to-Waco LE (and possibly Renya also) had been provided information he's not sharing, and has reason to take continuing pains to remain hidden (in order to protect Federal agencies and agents from being subject to laws regarding pre-trial discovery).
That's what's really going on here, that, and as another posted up-thread remarked; "he [the DA] bit off more than he can chew".
If the DA had began with charging the crime instead of alleged cause of those having occurred, then I'd have no grounds for objection, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
And you accuse other people of 'not being able to think logically'.
It is yourself who is mistaking "the ways things go", taking some element of corruption among prosecution as not only; to be expected, par for the course -- but fully proper and justified.(!)
Just who the hell are you? Tell us, noOb.
LOL! OK noob. So really, who are you, Abel Reyna, or Loretta Lynch, maybe Eric Holder? You have all the smarm and charm of Chuck Schumer. For some reason protecting overbearing government was important enough to you to sign up here and shill for it.
“Due process” and “right to a fair and speedy trial”.
But I jest...
Thanks for your insights.
Things got ratcheted up pretty soon after and I hope that hasn’t driven you out of the topic.
I’ve been half-assedly following that story. My first impressions was that they busted and held everyone in that restaurant, sheep and goats alike. There are two kinds of bikers, the outlaw types and the old farts trying to relive their misspent youth by pretending to be like the former.
I kinda identify with the latter, and wonder how many of those got caught up in this.
Actually, there are not. Of course, the def claims there are, they always do. But of they had anything of substance, they would have already gotten it tossed at the appellate level.
9 people are dead. People are going to prison.
Thank you for your thoughts.
In many ways you are right, but another element became prevalent about 35 years ago. These gangs are now major the players in the meth business, and protecting their turf means protecting their income.
Those are the people who murdered 9 people in Waco.
No, I just don’t like murdering scum drug dealers, as you obviously do.
Ask me nice... ask me pretty please with sugar on top....
Sure I do... LOL
“If this is so true, why does the prosecution keep delaying going to trial?”
The DA’s office recalled the sixth round of evidence last month after it was discovered some of the bikers’ cellphone images that were released contained child pornography.
You forgot to list pedophilia.
The DA’s office recalled the sixth round of evidence last month after it was discovered some of the bikers’ cellphone images that were released contained child pornography.
Have given up on FR. What was once a great conservative website is now nothing more than an anti - everything crybaby hate site.
It’s not JR’s fault.. but this place had become overrun by the terminally weird!
Good luck
Why don’t you opus as you project your way out?
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