Posted on 02/21/2017 9:14:26 PM PST by Jyotishi
And...make them train their US American Citizen replacements over a 1 year period.
After which their Visa ends....and the American Citizen takes over the job.
It's only fair.
First off I am against raising the wage to something like $200,000 or some other high amount. I am for limiting their wage to what they would get in their own country. Some would think this the opposite effect of what the high wage would do would be wrong. Here is why, the reason is that they come here because the value of their currency. A dollar there will go much further than their own currency will so they will want to come here. However, if their pay was equivalent to the pay in their own country they would not want to spend the bucks to come here.
I recently sat down and spoke with a couple from India who was schooled in the US. They flat out said that in order to get a job here those in IT exaggerate on their resume. A while back I was looking into devBootcamps. All of these stated that the instructor had over 7 years of experience in that particular language. I took a class which promised job placement. The instructor told me to take creative liberties with my resume. After working with co-workers who hailed from India, I am sure a vast majority of them neither had the experience nor the background to be in the position they were in. American companies don’t vette these employees because they believe their Indian counterparts did. Also, it is expensive for the American company to do so.
I am for whatever works to cut down the H1-B visas into this country. A $200K a year job in the USA given to an H1-B visa is a $200K job a US citizen doesn’t get.
o The PM referred to the role of skilled Indian talent in enriching the US economy and societyCharity starts at home.
Stay home and enrich your own economy.
Went to Olive Garden last night to order take out. While waiting for the order I was amazed to note that practically every family leaving the restaurant after a full sit down meal were Indian. Mother, father and at least two kids. Nicely dressed. Nice cars. It’s amazing they are doing so well here. Didn’t see any Black families. The Whites in the restaurant looked pretty shabby by comparison. The Indians are the new middle and upper class in America. Driving the Beemers and Benzes. And they come from a society that has been historically caste-oriented. We the whites are paupers in our own country. And if you’ve ever talked with any of them you would learn quickly who they believe has the higher IQ. Guess we have corporate America to thank for all of this.
I disagree.
In the business world, $200K is a threshold salary.
Most American employees who earn more than that have truly exceptional or truly unique professional skills.
Hiring foreign workers at $200K and over will displace very few Americans.
Instead, it will significantly increase the American talent pool of exceptional workers, and significantly increase the number of people earning more than $200K.
My observation is that many Silicon Valley Indians are far left. Furthermore, many of them are not really receptive to discussing politics.
Many of them tend to think that whatever seems to work in India should also be fine for the USA as well.
To take one example, gun control— many of them have no issue with violating 2A in the name of “gun control.” They have no background on the pros and cons of the issue but they seem to think that they do. India has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world.
Another example is racism— many of them think that asking a pointed question during a debate is proof of “racism.” Again, many of them seem to have no well developed background in 1A— probably (so I imagine at least) because there is no 1A in India like there is in the USA.
None of this prevents Indians from coming to the USA and getting involved in supporting liberal politicians for election. My observation is that Indian politicians are very aware of politics in the USA and frequently come to the USA to influence elections in favor of liberal views (immigration, free trade, etc). This includes fundraising.
I am aware that Indians tend to dominate in some aspects of some industries such as telephone tech support and IT. So when the Indians come to the USA to influence USA politics, I expect that it is with the active financial support of the owners of Indian IT and support company owners. These are the same guys that don’t pay their workers decent wages in their own country.
(To their credit some of the younger Indians seem at least capable of grasping some of various points being made in the simple issues involved. I support reasoned debate. Alas, I fear that in most cases, actual voting tends to fall along racial and cultural lines.)
“Let high IQ, non muzzie, Indians immigrate in large numbers compared to most others.”
Why? We really don’t need them or their culture.
Immigrants are good for the Poverty and Education industries - nothing more. For American workers and families, the open borders and H-1B programs are a disaster.
Why? To water down the salaries of our own hard workimg STEM graduates? Screw that. H-1B KILL IT!
There you go making common sense.
Your idea is good but there are no criminal penalties for cheating. That is why the only solution is to kill the H-1B visa program.
For better or worse, I know how the H1B process works. In short, H1B is a process that is easily manipulated and results in companies paying near slave wages to recent college grads from India, China, Malaysia, etc. who came from rich families and do not want to go home.
Most of these grads will have attained multiple Bachelors and Masters degrees. They become TA’s and do this so they don’t have to return home, and in turn, this creates the loopholes companies use to hire them. All the company has to do to hire them is write a job description that requires a BS Computer Science, MS Computer Science and MBA in International Business. There will be qualified applicants and they will all be H1B (with very rare exception.)
When the current H1B standard was set up, a wage level of 60 or 65K was set in 1989 as the marker for high-paid, essential jobs we can’t fill in the US. That number hasn’t been adjusted since then. You’re right—that’s not the level of an essential job.
Today, an H1B shop can hire an Indian or Chinese computer worker with a Master’s or PH.D for that same salary to compete with American STEM graduates. The catch—which makes it a non-meritocratic system, and is de-STEM-ing the US—is that once an H1B is hired, he has to stay on the job for 3 or 4 years. If he loses the job he leaves the country.
The reason Americans can’t compete is that unscrupulous companies will pile work on so it’s routinely a 70 or 75 hour week. So, each H1B you hire is working 1.5x time (there’s no overtime for salaried professionals).
That’s not what an American STEM graduate signed on for. He wants a professional job—maybe 50 hours on average with occasional bursts, not non-stop indentured servitude. And, if you’re American, you’re likely to experience discrimination in your own country as the foreign-run shop has managers who don’t like you and will promote their countrymen first.
I got this from one of my kids, who worked at an H1B shop in Houston, programming for an oil exploration company named CGG. I believe him.
You'd hear wailing and gnashing of teeth in Silly Korn Alley as these petulant billionaires scramble a little to hire Americans. So what.
The sad/funny part is that all of the yelling and screaming about H1Bs that they do is at the lower end of the pay scale.
Remember how companies sending their manufacturing off-shore hollowed out our industry? Eventually, only offshore entities knew how to make many things, and the skill was lost here.
A similar thing is going on with H1Bs. There is no problem with competition at the higher salary levels. You can’t work those people like dogs and keep them creative. It’s at the entry level—first few years of career—that this is occurring. It is hollowing out the US STEM base.
Globalist are evil.
It’s a matter of degree.
Trade is a good thing; but that’s not what’s happening, either with H1B’s or, to a lesser extent NAFTA. One can only imagine what was in TPP if it was a) secret and b) championed by Obama.
Ask any Silicon Valley CEO...
Is it proper to ask a SillyCornAlley CEO about H-1B non-abuse in their mansion or on their yacht? Or just have Rush relay the message in person?
That’s what is known as a CLM - Career Limiting Move...
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