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Let the Market Fix Health Care
Townhall.com ^ | February 20, 2016 | Ken Blackwell

Posted on 02/20/2017 7:03:22 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Axenolith

All of which did not address the point. Gold and silver people love to talk about it, but the only thing you CAN talk about is what exists, and gold and silver are not used to run society. There is no gold slot in cash register drawers. It’s not used. Period.

And so, the point remains. Relying on “the free market” to address health care cannot mean anything, because QE destroyed the integrity of money.


21 posted on 02/20/2017 9:21:52 AM PST by Owen
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To: MadIsh32

You might not be aware of it, but once you are on Social Security, usually by age 65 you will be put automatically on medicare, whether you like it or not.


22 posted on 02/20/2017 9:24:35 AM PST by Kaslin ( Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible)
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To: Weirdad

Yours is the better rebuttal. But it relies mostly on momentum and a desire to believe in normalcy, though you do admit QE probably has destroyed money’s meaning (rephrase).

As for locality and USA, and not wanting to change the subject, but oil comes from outside. 20 million bpd burned in the US, and we produce only 9.5. The rest comes in, paid for by meaningless money. What happens when a decision is made to insist on something other than meaningless money to pay for the ultimate meaning, civilization’s lifeblood, oil.

This all just further undercuts money and what it defines for a free market that is alleged to be the solution to healthcare.

No way.


23 posted on 02/20/2017 9:26:44 AM PST by Owen
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To: alternatives?
It is illegal to have materially different prices for different customers.

But different income tax rates for different groups is perfectly ok.

24 posted on 02/20/2017 9:31:41 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Darteaus94025

“Leave Obamacare to fail all on its own”

To repeal obamacare one need only repeal it’s enforcement mechanisms and it will die on its own.

Congress wants to cut deals with lobbyists buy stock in favored companies they choose to enrich themselves and otherwise play business as usual.

That takes more time than most people have.

Do whatever it takes to make sane business transactions legal in medicine and insurance. The rest will happen on its own


25 posted on 02/20/2017 9:34:25 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: jalisco555

I think anything else is crazy, but not this idea :-)


26 posted on 02/20/2017 9:37:16 AM PST by Lurkus Maximus
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To: hoosierham
We're paying now - and we're paying MORE because the ‘health care’ system for the poor is so corrupt.

When a poor person goes to the hospital emergency room for a bad cold the taxpayers get billed thousands of dollars for the visit. Sometimes in cash - sometimes in tax write-offs for the hospital. WE PAY FOR THOSE WRITE OFFS IN LOST TAXES.

When a doctor walks into a nursing home with medicaid patients and spends 5 minutes looking over a few charts the nurses have set out for him (and might actually look at ONE patient) he charges the top dollar amount allowed for EVERY patient in the facility. NOT JUST THE ONE PERSON HE SAW BUT FOR EVERY PERSON. Five minutes work - thousands of dollars.

We're being taken to the cleaners with this ‘health care’ carp because lobbyist are 'bribing' the folks who write the laws on health care... Over 90% of the money the average person spends on health care they'll spend in the last 6 months of their life. That's the doctor jackpot. Yep and lots of doctors do their morning walk through a hospital picking up thousands of dollars by writing a few meaningless words on a chart.

Unless you're willing to let people die in the street if they don't have the cash to pay for service on the spot - we need to come up with a realistic plan that's not a taxpayer ripoff - because we're paying through the nose now.

27 posted on 02/20/2017 9:59:30 AM PST by GOPJ (What is called "Fake News" is actually deliberate and coordinated disinformation --Freeper detective)
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To: Kaslin

Obama destroyed the working people’s healthcare by breaking up the employer based systems. The big corporations are glad that it is gone and to get it back will be near impossible.


28 posted on 02/20/2017 10:44:06 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: PGR88
...my Church, with its 1000 members, could create an insurance scheme plan for its members...

The word scheme carries a negative connotation. < /word police >

29 posted on 02/20/2017 1:23:16 PM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: GOPJ

Commie


30 posted on 02/20/2017 3:27:28 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Owen

You’re implying that the integrity of the FRN has something to do with its use as a medium of exchange. It doesn’t at this point and probably won’t until inflation is north of 7-10%.

The health care industry has been given a pass on complying with Title 15 for decades. It would be managed by the free market within weeks if that were enforced. Unfortunately no one is going to want to nut up and take the grief over the subsequent 20+% GDP hit.


31 posted on 02/20/2017 5:18:12 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Ray76

We’re paying now - and we’re paying MORE because the ‘health care’ system for the poor is so corrupt.

When a poor person goes to the hospital emergency room for a bad cold the taxpayers get billed thousands of dollars for the visit. Sometimes in cash - sometimes in tax write-offs for the hospital. WE PAY FOR THOSE WRITE OFFS IN LOST TAXES.

When a doctor walks into a nursing home with medicaid patients and spends 5 minutes looking over a few charts a nurse set out for him he charges the MAXIMUM amount Medicaid allowes for EVERY patient in the facility. NOT JUST THE ONE PERSON HE SAW BUT FOR EVERY PERSON. Five minutes work - thousands of dollars.

We’re being taken to the cleaners with this ‘health care’ carp because lobbyist are ‘bribing/donating’ to the folks who write laws on health care...

Over 90% of the money the average person spends on health care is spent in the last 6 months of their life. That’s the doctor jackpot. Yep and lots of doctors do their morning walk through a hospital picking up thousands of dollars by writing a few meaningless words on a chart.

Unless you’re willing to let people die in the street if they don’t have the cash to pay for service on the spot - we need to come up with a realistic plan that’s not a taxpayer ripoff - because we’re paying through the nose now.


32 posted on 02/21/2017 9:31:08 AM PST by GOPJ (What is called "Fake News" is actually deliberate and coordinated disinformation --Freeper detective)
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33 posted on 02/21/2017 9:58:12 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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