Substantial Numbers of Non-Citizens Vote Illegally in U.S. Elections

justfactsdaily.com ^ | James D. Agresti

[jonrick46]

I talked to my state representative tonight about my concerns about the Democrat initiative to register 100,000 new voters in our state. Many of the new voters came from counties with large populations of migrant workers. She told me to talk to our Secretary of State, Kim Wyman. I will do that when I see her a week from now.

[Kickass Conservative]

As I’ve said before, if the Illegals from Mexico Voted for Republicans, Bill Clinton would have erected a Border Wall 100 feet high with Alligator filled Moats and Minefields.

The DMZ between North and South Korea would look like a Playground at KinderCare in comparison.

[blueplum]

In sum, PolitiFact neglects the actual facts of this complex issue and makes it seem as if this is a case of "the experts" versus people with no credibility. That is not fact-checking but shilling for a particular point of view.

in otherwords, PolitiFact champions manipulated facts, repeated as gospel by liberal talking heads who have such malicious intent towards the President they can't even be bothered to fact-check Politifact before opening their mouths.

[FDNYRHEROES]

OK, let me get this straight...They are provided welfare, food stamps, driver’s licenses, in-state tuition, health care, sanctuary cities to live in, while reinforcing the victimhood tag that they all come with....BUT.....the DEMONRATS ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DRAW THE LINE WHEN IT COMES TO THEM ILLEGALLY VOTING FOR THEIR CANDIDATES? Seriesly?

[Ciexyz]

When John Podesta on Election Night told Hillary supporters to go home, all the votes are not yet counted, my heart went to my throat. They’ll steal the election, I thought. I’m a Pennsylvania resident. That’s what Democrats do.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Detroit recount had to be stopped because the evidence of voter fraud was so large.
Also we need to weed out double registrations like New York/Florida.

[FreedomPoster]

Trump and his people ran a very advanced Big Data / data analytics-driven campaign. They probably already know where the bodies are buried on this.

The Left keeps underestimating him. Hopefully the ultimate outcome on this is your last.

[Big Giant Head]

Attention all non-US citizens, whether you are in the US legally or illegally. You have 180 days to go to your local election board and cancel your fraudulent voter registration. After 180 days, any non-US citizen found to be illegally registered to vote in this country will be deported and banned from the US for a period of 10 years. This 10 year period will be over and above any other ban imposed.

We should just spread this on social media like other "fake news." Just to see if it would have an impact, or go viral.

[Former Proud Canadian]

Cleaning up the electoral process could bar the dems from power for generations.

That said, you really have to blame the republicans for the present state of affairs. For example, why isn't the republican governor of Michigan investigating the electoral process in black dem run cities like Detroit, Pontiac, Flint, etc? The partial recount in Michigan uncovered widespread fraud in Detroit. Why wasn't that followed up?

[Fred911]

About time we ended this progressive scam

[PIF]

You misunderestimte Clinton, he would not have used those relatively friendly and cuddly American alligators, but brought in really mean, nasty, and extremely hungry sea-going crocodiles from Asia.

[spintreebob]

All sides of this debate are extremely sloppy with their facts, logic and especially their language.

A quote refers to non-citizens.
Then a jump is made to illegals.

There are far more legal non-ctizens in the US than illegals. In my experience, far more legal non-citizens are registered to vote than illegals.

In other comments, language confusion exists over jumping from illegal voting to illegal immigrants as if they are the same. They are not the same. Far more illegal voting involves the dead, and especially citizens who moved and are still registered at their old address than involves non-citizens, let alone illegal non-citizens.

The article for this thread states: social security card/number is a common a requirement to register to vote. I checked all the big states that have most of the immigrants. In none of them is a social security card/number a requirement to register, or to vote. I have followed this professionally and I am not aware of any small state that requires it, although I did not check every single one of them specifically for this.

Can anyone name a single state where a social security card/number is a requirement to register? or to vote?

Many more examples could be given of fake facts, bad logic and especially confusion of language.

[Steve_Seattle]

According to an article in Wikipedia (to which I do not give COMPLETE credibility), there are about 11.5 million illegals in this country. For various reasons, I think that figure is probably understated by several million. (One reason is that many "powers that be" have reason to understate the figure.)

If there are 15 million illegals, many of whom have been here for decades, have jobs, have driver's licenses, and other forms of ID, I think it is reasonable to assume that 10% or more of them vote in presidential elections. (In just the last three years, California alone has issued driver's licenses to more than 800,000 illegals.)

Not only are ID requirements for voting often very lax, we have every reason to think that authorities in many jurisdictions turn a blind eye to illegal voting, or even encourage it. Democrats almost ALWAYS fight any attempt to require ID for purposes of voting.

Then, as you say, there is the large number of non-illegal non-citizens, and if 5-15% of those people vote, the number of illegal votes might jump to 2-3 million, in the range that Trump us claiming.

At any rate, I am absolutely convinced that the number of illegals who vote is at a minimum several hundred thousand, far above the claims of Trump's critics, who often suggest that almost no illegals ever vote.

[Senator_Blutarski]

Voting as an illegal alien should be grounds for immediate and permanent deportation.

[spintreebob]

I personally have known thousands of illegals. How many have you known. I’ve registered naturalized citizens to vote after Spanish mass. I’ve gone door to door in immigrant areas and registered people to vote. What is your experience?

I don’t know a single illegal who has even thought of voting. They put yard signs up for my candidates. But never would consider voting.

I have known green card holders who heard the accusations of illegals voting and (being less educated) assumed that because there was so much effort against illegals, that they as green card holders could register and vote. We see this on line also. The mis-guided noise about illegals communicates that if you are legal, you can vote.

Thus, in my voter registration efforts, I’ve had to stop 2 or 3 green card holders from trying to register. Actually, other green card holders present corrected them before I did.

I also have many years of experience observing and fighting vote fraud, and exchanging stories with others who have first hand experience on both sides of vote fraud. How much first hand experience do you have?

As far as the number of illegals, it depends on the definition of illegal. I’ve sat beside many IT workers who are working on a student visa, a tourist visa. They are legally in the US; but cannot work legally. Are they illegals? Many people are in the process of switching visa type, or are in the famous line patiently waiting. Are they illegal. Eg my wife entered illegally. We married. She applied for automatic amnesty as my wife. The amnesty is almost always guaranteed. She was as good as legal before she officially got the green card.

The entire topic is plagued by complexity, and by mis-use of words, and mis-use of statistics, and fake facts, and by ignorance of reality.