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China "Shocked" By Navarro Appointment, As Trump Team Proposes 10% Import Tariff
ZeroHedge.com ^ | 22 December 2016 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 12/22/2016 8:12:46 PM PST by Rockitz

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To: central_va

Taxing commerce was constitutional in the Washingtons day, taxing personal income was not. He was however, a wise man who would eliminate burdensome federal regulations before increasing taxes on commerce.


201 posted on 12/28/2016 5:35:48 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Taxing commerce was constitutional in the Washingtons day,

Still is.

202 posted on 12/28/2016 5:38:06 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Tariffs are a tax on commerce and economic activity. One clear lesson we learned from socialism is if you want less of something, put a tax on it. Brazil and Venezuela are good examples of high tax/tariff socialist eutopias.


203 posted on 12/28/2016 5:48:15 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Would you be in favor of reducing income taxes an amount equal to any revenues tariffs raise? How about completely eliminating the income tax and replacing it with a combination of tariffs and sales taxes?

The most destructive of all taxes is the income tax.

204 posted on 12/28/2016 5:51:47 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I get it. You love government tariffs, and hate free market commerce and economic activity. You embrace socialist Venezuela, and ignore free market economists like Milton Friedman. You don’t want America to clean up its own mess first by slashing federal regulations that punish free market commerce and economic activity, you want to punish American businesses and consumers by raising prices on goods and services by increasing tariffs/taxes on imports.

I get it. Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs!!!!! Taxes, taxes taxes!!!!!! Yippee!!!!


205 posted on 12/28/2016 6:08:21 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Hey I am for slashing all regulations and taxes and needs to be done. But that has NOTHING to do with tariffs. Tariffs are what is needed to offset global Labor arbitrage.

BY the way you never really answered my questions. Progressives like you are very dodgy people.

206 posted on 12/28/2016 6:17:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I get it comrade.


207 posted on 12/28/2016 7:02:32 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You can eliminate all regulations and all taxes, and you still can’t compete with Chinese workers willing to work a 12 hour day for $2/day.

And the truth is we don’t want to eliminate all regulations and taxes. We don’t want to be like China. We don’t wan’t our air and water polluted. We don’t want unsafe factories. And we do want some social programs.

But you can’t have those things and open the market to countries that will do whatever it takes to undermine your economy and transfer your industries to their country.

So if foreigners are going to sell into our market they should help pay the burden of those regulations and programs. They should pay a tariff big enough to pay for supporting unemployed Americans, the taxes those unemployed Americans should have been paying in, and the opportunity cost of having those wages and industries in the American economy.


208 posted on 12/28/2016 7:54:53 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Great post!


209 posted on 12/28/2016 8:01:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Why Free Trade Doesn't Work
210 posted on 12/28/2016 8:03:32 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN; Soul of the South

ping


211 posted on 12/28/2016 8:03:32 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

“China “Shocked” By Navarro Appointment, As Trump Team Proposes 10% Import Tariff”

How disappointing. Only 10%?


212 posted on 12/28/2016 8:12:22 AM PST by Soul of the South (Tomorrow is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Tariffs are a tax on commerce and economic activity. One clear lesson we learned from socialism is if you want less of something, put a tax on it.”

The greatest period of growth in US history occurred when the nation had its highest tariffs (1865-1900). The current period of economic stagnation and declining standards of living for the average American family is occurring when we have the lowest tariffs in our history. Coincidence?


213 posted on 12/28/2016 8:14:44 AM PST by Soul of the South (Tomorrow is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Soul of the South

Tariffs can be raised every year. :) 10% is a good starting point. Maybe a 3% per year increase. The USA has been out of the tariff game so long we forgot how to do it!


214 posted on 12/28/2016 8:21:24 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DannyTN
You can eliminate all regulations and all taxes, and you still can’t compete with Chinese workers willing to work a 12 hour day for $2/day.

Take a business trip to China. Most of their labor advantages are more than offset by poor quality, corruption, and uncertain socioeconomic disadvantages.

The biggest drag on US economic growth is our own federal government, not China.

215 posted on 12/28/2016 12:40:25 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Soul of the South

I get it. You want higher federal taxes on raw materials and finished goods. That’s exactly what Brazil is doing.


216 posted on 12/28/2016 12:44:44 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: DannyTN

“The other thing we’re doing is regulations. The regulations are — in fact, if I asked Greg and your folks, you would probably say regulations might be worse for you than even the high taxes, which is the biggest surprise of the whole political experience. I thought taxes would be number one. Regulations would be up there some place. Believe me, these great leaders of industry, and even the small business people who are just being crushed, if they have their choice between lower taxes and a major, massive cutting of regulations, they would take the regulations.”

Donald J. Trump
December 1, 2016
Transcript, Carrier Plant in Indiana


217 posted on 12/28/2016 12:55:38 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: DannyTN

“But I just noticed — I wrote down because I heard it — since about six years ago, 260 new federal regulations have passed, 53 of which affect this plant. Fifty-tree new regulations. Massively expensive and probably none of them amount to anything in terms of safety or the things that you’d have regulations for.”

Donald J. Trump
December 1, 2016
Transcript, Carriwe Plant in Indiana


218 posted on 12/28/2016 12:58:37 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; central_va

Nobody is saying we can’t improve or reduce regulations. But they are not the cause of the offshoring.

The fact is that regulations are a “management” headache. Management are the ones who have to read the regulation, figure out if it applies, write and appropriate policy(s) to address the regulation, and document for the government that the policy(s) has been complied with.

A lot of regulation compliance, eventually get automated, or just become part of the management knowledge base for that particular industry. Compliance usually doesn’t take a lot of time, but management hates it and feels like it takes more time than it really does.

And that’s why Management will complain about regulations before it complains about taxes. Taxes are the corporations or owner’s money. If you’re not going to simplify the process, the rate doesn’t matter to management.

And companies that offshore are not going to say that they are offshoring to take advantage of the cheap overseas labor, but they still intend to sell back into the US market. That would be suicide. No they’ll blame taxes and regulations, They won’t tell you the real reason, because it would make people furious.


219 posted on 12/28/2016 1:46:59 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Taxes are the corporations or owner’s money.

I'm so sorry. I didn't know I was debating a dimwit.

220 posted on 12/29/2016 11:29:51 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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