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China "Shocked" By Navarro Appointment, As Trump Team Proposes 10% Import Tariff
ZeroHedge.com ^ | 22 December 2016 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 12/22/2016 8:12:46 PM PST by Rockitz

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To: IDFbunny
Taiwanese goods will likely get caught up in a trade war to. Your computer probably came from Taiwan.

The Taiwanese already charge an import tariff. Looks like we are in a war right now with them.

The overall average nominal tariff rate for imported goods was 6.35% in 2015. U.S. industry continues to request that Taiwan lower tariffs on imports of many products, including large motorcycles, wine, canned soups, cookies, savory snack foods, vegetable juices, potatoes and potato products, table grapes, apples, fresh vegetables, and citrus products.

It is the USA that is caught in a trade war. Our markets are open to all. The overall tariff rate for imports TO the USA is 1%.

181 posted on 12/24/2016 4:11:48 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

TEN WON’T DO CRAP.

35 MUCH BETTER.


182 posted on 12/24/2016 4:14:13 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: TomasUSMC

10% is a good starting place. Raise it 4% per year until we reach 30%. The last 5% hold in reserve.


183 posted on 12/24/2016 4:16:08 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Rockitz

We nor the rest of the free world can afford trading with the biggest most powerful communist nation on earth.

China is taking all that trade and turning that money into spending on military and space.

Trump should ask for an international ban on trade with China.


184 posted on 12/24/2016 4:22:19 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: DannyTN

Tarrifs partly or completely negate comparative advantage, driving up prices in other sectors and costing America jobs. Is this what we want?


185 posted on 12/24/2016 8:33:03 PM PST by Crucial
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To: Crucial

It’s China that needs to heed the ‘evils’ of tariffs.


186 posted on 12/24/2016 8:37:46 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Crucial
Tarrifs partly or completely negate comparative advantage, driving up prices in other sectors and costing America jobs. Is this what we want? Wrong, you should have paid attention to the exceptions when you studied comparative advantage.

Comparative advantage works when countries trade in goods. That's not what we are doing. China is selling us goods and buying our equities and debt. We are liquidating the US to buy Chinese cheap imports.

Comparative advantage also doesn't work in times of high unemployment. Only 60% of our working age population is in the workforce. And China literally still has more than 200 million more people wanting to come in from the fields to a manufacturing job that pays $2 a day.

High unemployment is one of those exceptions to comparative advantage you must have overlooked in your introductory macroeconomics course.

Even when comparative advantage works and both countries trade an equal amount of goods, there may still be strategic reasons not to engage in trade. One important reason is to maintain a manufacturing base so that you can produce the weapons of war. And an agricultural base so that you can feed your people and an army.

Jefferson learned this lesson. At one point he thought America should remain an agricultural economy and just trade for manufactured goods and anything else we need. Then in his words "the unthinkable happened". Europe cut us of from manufactured goods. And that was the point when Jefferson realized that a strong manufacturing base was critical to the survival of a free state.

187 posted on 12/24/2016 10:38:30 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: central_va
Income taxes and consumption taxes like a tariff are totally different. Clearly your understanding of economics is limited

You must live completely off the grid if you're not a "consumer". All taxes take money from your pocket and your family then transfer your wealth to government regardless the method. Fuel taxes, phone taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, or tariffs. By supporting tariffs you are adding to the tax burden paid by you and your consuming neighbors.

188 posted on 12/25/2016 4:24:40 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I want to pay mere for imported goods. SO should you. You either pay more for them at the border or you pay for an idled work US work force. This situation is temporary as domestic suppliers of durable will come back on line wit a protective tariff in place.

Tariffs promote domestic industry and keep Americans employed and were the foundation of the making America an industrial power.

You have absolutely no Constitutional right to open and free commerce with other nations across international borders. Actually the opposite is true.

189 posted on 12/27/2016 4:52:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DannyTN

You are awesome Danny.


190 posted on 12/27/2016 4:53:45 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

It’s an interesting debate, and one we’ve had before as a nation. Google the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930:

“It should be obvious that an effective limit on imports also reduces exports. Without the dollars obtained by selling here, foreign countries could not afford to buy our goods (or to repay their debts). From 1929 to 1932, U.S. imports from Germany fell by $181 million; U.S. exports to Germany fell by $277 million. Americans also had little use for foreign currency, since foreign goods were subject to prohibitive tariffs, so the dollar was artificially costly in terms of other currencies. That too depressed our exports, which turned out to be particularly devastating to farmers-the group that was supposed to benefit from the tariffs.”


191 posted on 12/27/2016 5:39:46 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; central_va

Take the money from the Tariffs and use it to reduce Individual and Corporate taxes. That will make the taxes revenue neutral. Or do you oppose tax cuts?

The thing is, it won’t be tax revenue neutral. As people go back to work government revenues will soar from the income taxes coming in from those people re-entering the work force.

Plus government payments to support the unemployed and indigent will start going down.

Government will then be able to use the surplus to start reducing the national debt.

What’s more, there will now be more funds left in the American economy and spent in the American economy to boost the wages of all.


192 posted on 12/27/2016 2:03:13 PM PST by DannyTN
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...As people go back to work government revenues will soar...

If increasing tariffs was the economic elixir that fixes everything, why hasn't every nation from time immemorial raised them?

193 posted on 12/27/2016 6:49:13 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They do.


194 posted on 12/27/2016 6:50:25 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Imports/Exports were an insignificant part of the US economy in the 1930’s. Less 4% of the GNP was import/Export.


195 posted on 12/27/2016 6:52:41 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The smart ones do.

America had tariffs for 180 years. Worked great for us!


196 posted on 12/27/2016 7:07:57 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The smart ones do.

America had tariffs for 180 years. Worked great for us!


197 posted on 12/27/2016 7:07:57 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: central_va; DannyTN
"Today, as always, there is much support for tariffs--euphemistically labeled "protection," a good label for a bad cause."

- Milton Friedman

http://www.hoover.org/research/case-free-trade

198 posted on 12/28/2016 5:10:59 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Funny, I never thought of George Washington, signer of the first tariff act, as a bad President.


199 posted on 12/28/2016 5:19:56 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DannyTN
Jefferson learned this lesson

Jefferson didn't contemplate 90,000 pages of government regulations from OSHA, EPA, FDA, and a miriad of other federal monstrosities. Slashing these burdens on commerce would have a far greater impact on jobs and economic growth that increasing tariffs.

200 posted on 12/28/2016 5:26:44 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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