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The bad economics of Trump's Carrier deal
The Week ^ | 12/01/2016 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 12/01/2016 1:04:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Spktyr

This is just another illustration of what we have done before God in the name of globalism. Jumping out of the “statist” (scare quotes deliberate) frying pan, we have jumped into the globalist fire, and we will be picked clean by the lazy countries of the rest of the world. Just be a spot for a factory, but don’t do anything else you don’t absolutely have to.


121 posted on 12/01/2016 2:54:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Exactly!


122 posted on 12/01/2016 2:54:19 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: elhombrelibre

Well how about letting globalism be a forte for you? Then come back and let us have a discussion.

“Jumping out of the pan and into the fire” is a common expression for excellent reason.


123 posted on 12/01/2016 2:55:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
National corporations hated the republic so they pushed the Feds to get control over those 50 pesky states. The cry was we need one law not 50! So we got the 16th and 17th amendments.

But the asswipes weren't done. Corporations went international and having the USA and the Feds doing their bidding was not enough. Now they are tying to dissolve international borders! It's a bridge to far.

124 posted on 12/01/2016 2:57:08 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Who should prevail? Customers, big business in league with governments, or demagogic statist governments protecting their nation?


125 posted on 12/01/2016 2:57:45 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: central_va

There may be a good reason to be international, if you have to build and sell in the same spot. But on the other hand if other countries get to require that, why not us?


126 posted on 12/01/2016 2:59:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Why don’t you explain what globalism is if it’s your forte?


127 posted on 12/01/2016 2:59:55 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

A government carrying out the will of the people isn’t going to be promoting globalist locusts, that’s for jolly sure.


128 posted on 12/01/2016 3:00:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

1000 jobs may not seem like much to our DC insider betters but it’s a big deal out here in flyover country.


129 posted on 12/01/2016 3:00:43 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life ~ Vote!)
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To: elhombrelibre

You’d just mock, based on your history — that’s why.

Go and learn from the ant.


130 posted on 12/01/2016 3:01:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: central_va

New York State looks like that everywhere.

Syracuse is a total basketcase. So is Rochester, and Buffalo, and Utica, and Binghamton, and, and, and....

The USA has literally been de-industrialized. Which has been the goal of the left for years. They want it that way.


131 posted on 12/01/2016 3:02:29 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: InterceptPoint

“Federal and State Tax Revenues
Incrementally higher costs for Carrier products”

Under GW Bush, taxes went down, but Revenues went up. With lower taxes it is worth it to more people to get into or stay in the game - so the private sector will/should grow.

Probably higher costs due to making stuff in the USA. Of course if there are tariffs on imports - those will have increased costs too. And there is a cost to losing those jobs too. Gov’t has to take care of more people as they are out of jobs, etc., which raises our taxes.

And the general decay and “malaise” (to use a Reagan term about the Carter years iirc) that joblessness creates. Look at Detroit where all the automakers left and imagine a USA like that. Why would anyone want to go to Detroit (or the USA) to start a company?

I know that the high-tech and white collar stuff will still support a lot of American jobs. But I think the nuts and bolts industries need to make a comeback to give us a more balanced economy.

As with regard to the Carrier “deal” - I would agree that it isn’t the best to be making individual deals with companies (crony capitalism). I’m pretty sure that isn’t Trump’s plan - it will be an all inclusive plan with lower taxes, less restrictive regulations, etc.


132 posted on 12/01/2016 3:02:38 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: InterceptPoint

Every regulatory requirement has a cost.
You want a minimum wage? - It has a cost.
You want a safe work place? - It has a cost.
You want clean air? - It has a cost.
You want clean water? - It has a cost.
You want to prevent money laundering? - It has a cost.
You want to ...(fill in the blank)...? - It has a cost.
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You want to avoid all of those costs? - You go somewhere else.


133 posted on 12/01/2016 3:04:31 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: Ouderkirk

It wasn’t just the left that wanted that. The so called Free Trader Conservatives have no problem with it. It is depressing.


134 posted on 12/01/2016 3:04:41 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

And the taxes go up and up as fewer cows are expected to yield more milk.

It’s a slow burn of the country’s static treasure. Because America did so well in the past, that can go on for a while, but eventually we get the seven emaciated cows of bible imagery and re-feeding them will be a GARGANTUAN task.


135 posted on 12/01/2016 3:07:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Why should we allow duty free access to our markets if they go somewhere else? You can't de industrialize the USA to prove a point. That is so stupid and depressing I cannot even understand this thinking.

You have to decide if you hate unions, regulations and taxes more than you love your country.

136 posted on 12/01/2016 3:08:00 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Anti business, anti capitalist smoke blowers like you favor the government control of business as do the socialists we are trying to eradicate


137 posted on 12/01/2016 3:08:13 PM PST by Thibodeaux (Exile Barack, Exile the Wookie, Exile Malia, Exile Shasha)
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To: Repeal The 17th

But then you can’t complain about the environment.


138 posted on 12/01/2016 3:09:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I used the word ignorance because it directly applies


139 posted on 12/01/2016 3:09:06 PM PST by Thibodeaux (Exile Barack, Exile the Wookie, Exile Malia, Exile Shasha)
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To: Thibodeaux

Government as the representative of the people is a bad thing? Look at that document. “We The People.”

What has happened is that government has been the representative of its own bloated bureaucratic self. And that has doled out the stored treasures of the land to globalists, and taken a portion of that as vigorish.

This has to stop if we are not to Venezuela ourselves, and the rednecks are going to have the political power to GET it to stop.


140 posted on 12/01/2016 3:11:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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