Posted on 08/09/2016 9:27:57 AM PDT by Kaslin
“Actually the CIA had nothing to do with the installation of Shah Reza Pahlavi.
Even the CIA says they installed him. They had an elected leader who was overthrown by the CIA and Brits, and the nut electrocuting Shah was installed as an absolute dictator. US CIA and US Army intel helped him set up Savak that was nothing any American should admire.
Demographics are destiny.
We have neither the “disposable” people nor the treasure to maintain the sort of empire the neocon asshats seem to want. Eff ‘em.
Hah!
Is Reagan a commie in your twisted mind? Reagan said:
‘Those who would trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state have told us they have a utopian solution of peace without victory. They call their policy “accommodation.” And they say if we’ll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy, he’ll forget his evil ways and learn to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as warmongers. They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well, perhaps there is a simple answernot an easy answerbut simple: If you and I have the courage to tell our elected officials that we want our national policy based on what we know in our hearts is morally right.
We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion human beings now enslaved behind the Iron Curtain, “Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins, we’re willing to make a deal with your slave masters.” Alexander Hamilton said, “A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.” Now let’s set the record straight. There’s no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there’s only one guaranteed way you can have peaceand you can have it in the next secondsurrender.
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The Brits and the Soviets made him king. The Brits and the CIA engineered the coup against his pro-Soviet PM, Mossadegh. That made the Shah more of a dictator.
No moron. And Reagan didn’t launch wars all around the world to start nation building. He met soviet advances appropriately, but he didn’t run around the planet overthrowing governments.
You have the twisted mind.
And in your twisted mind, you mist believe Reagan was a neocon. He was nothing of the vile sort. He was an American conservative.
Neocons are DIRECT descendants of the Trotsky faction. “Neoconservatism appeared ascendant in the 1990s, sweeping the Republican party in to power. From its socialist origins in the 1950s, the anti-Stalinist Left movement, it adopted the rhetoric of the anti-Communist right in order to create a new paradigm which was more palatable to the American public.
Yes, you read that right The neoconservative movement began with the anti-Stalinist Left, the Trotskyist Communists.
“It may sound strange to hear, but that is the history. The neoconservative founders included James Burnham, Max Shactman, Leo Strauss, Suzanne LaFollette, Willmoore Kendall, and Irving Kristol. When you go over the histories of these men, one uncovers that they all came from communist, specifically Trotskyist, backgrounds.”
Reagan was not a neocon.
“The Brits and the CIA engineered the coup against his pro-Soviet PM, Mossadegh”
Mossadegh had a decades long nationalist background along the lines of Ghandi. His only goal was to break Iran away from British rule. There isn’t a single episode in his life that indicates any affiliation with communism or the USSR.
He was quoted as saying he wasn’t wresting control away from England to invite in Russia to do the same thing. His crime was seeing that regaining control of the nations oil from the British seizure was critical to political independence. The Brits flatly refused to negotiate the return of what they claimed by force. So he nationalized the oil. Incidently, this is precisely what the UK does at home! The Crown owns all minerals, not the private landowner. And there is no way a foreign company can own british oil or minerals without permission and a lease.
He was not a pro-soviet at all. That was the 1953 CIA cover story.
For some strange reason, I feel compelled to say that Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.
CIA-assisted coup overthrows government of Iran
You see Shah Reza Pahlavi was the Shah of Persia from 1941 to 1979
From the article
The Iranian military, with the support and financial assistance of the United States government, overthrows the government of Premier Mohammed Mosaddeq and reinstates the Shah of Iran. Iran remained a solid Cold War ally of the United States until a revolution ended the Shahs rule in 1979.
Mosaddeq came to prominence in Iran in 1951 when he was appointed premier. A fierce nationalist, Mosaddeq immediately began attacks on British oil companies operating in his country, calling for expropriation and nationalization of the oil fields. His actions brought him into conflict with the pro-Western elites of Iran and the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi. Indeed, the Shah dismissed Mossadeq in mid-1952, but massive public riots condemning the action forced the Shah to reinstate Mossadeq a short time later. U.S. officials watched events in Iran with growing suspicion. British intelligence sources, working with the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), came to the conclusion that Mossadeq had communist leanings and would move Iran into the Soviet orbit if allowed to stay in power. Working with Shah, the CIA and British intelligence began to engineer a plot to overthrow Mossadeq. The Iranian premier, however, got wind of the plan and called his supporters to take to the streets in protest. At this point, the Shah left the country for medical reasons. While British intelligence backed away from the debacle, the CIA continued its covert operations in Iran. Working with pro-Shah forces and, most importantly, the Iranian military, the CIA cajoled, threatened, and bribed its way into influence and helped to organize another coup attempt against Mossadeq. On August 19, 1953, the military, backed by street protests organized and financed by the CIA, overthrew Mossadeq. The Shah quickly returned to take power and, as thanks for the American help, signed over 40 percent of Irans oil fields to U.S. companies.
Mossadeq was arrested, served three years in prison, and died under house arrest in 1967. The Shah became one of Americas most trusted Cold War allies, and U.S. economic and military aid poured into Iran during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. In 1978, however, anti-Shah and anti-American protests broke out in Iran and the Shah was toppled from power in 1979.(thanks to the peanut farmer from Georgia. ) Angry militants seized the U.S. embassy and held the American staff hostage until January 1981. Nationalism, not communism, proved to be the most serious threat to U.S. power in Iran.
Since the fall of the Soviet Union, what nations have come looking for a fight with the United States? The only attacks on US soldiers and civilians were carried out by terrorist organizations, not by any of the nations we've gone to war with.
The only legitimate defensive war we've had in the last 30+ years has been Afghanistan, where the Taliban were backing Al Quaeda (of course, the Saudi clerics who funneled Saudi oil money to both the Taliban and Al Quaeda remained unpunished).
Libya and Quaddafi would have been legitimate targets...28 years ago, when he was funding the terrorists who brought down Pan Am 103, not in 2011, when Quaddafi was working with US intelligence to get rid of Al Quaeda cells in Libya.
As for the rest, I don't recall Serbia ever attacking the US or any US interests or allies, unless you believe Bosniak and Kosovar Muslims are honorary US citizens. Nor did Saddam Hussein's Iraq have anything to do with 9/11, he was a red herring used by the Bush administration to protect Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia. The same applies to Assad in Syria - how did Al Nusra Sunni rebels come to be seen as honorary US citizens in need of our protection?
We all know who Pat thinks got us into all these wars.
Terrorist organizations always have the backing of some government or other. Iran has been the longest at it, even openly. Red China, North Korea and Russia have been the biggest friends of Iran, with the European Union (under Germanys de facto leadership) close behind.
The only attacks on US soldiers and civilians were carried out by terrorist organizations
At no point in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason ~ nully's son
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Haas is a UNIPARTY/UNIWORLD POS.
FURH
Rumps response was spot on
In this article he's doing just that, contradicting himself. Pat needs to go back and read his own books, several of which point out that the change in immigration policy is what has contributed mightily to our becoming a fragmented nation every bit as much as the democrat politics of division has. Either that or tell us straight out that several of his books were simply intended to pander to popular opinion and he doesn't really believe what said therein.
Shouldn’t the questions be: Why are they endless wars; and if we are not in it to win it, why go in?
That’s actually a pretty good description of Hilter. What’s your objection to it?
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