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Trump says he may let Russia keep Crimea
CBS ^ | July 31, 2016 | Emily Schultheis

Posted on 07/31/2016 10:40:49 AM PDT by Alter Kaker

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To: Gunslingr3
the Russians have claimed Crimea (annexed 1783) for longer than we've claimed California

Which geniuses in the State Department forgot that little item of history?

121 posted on 07/31/2016 2:35:09 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Alter Kaker

Crimea’s gone, unless someone wants to go to war over it.

Forcing the Black Fleet out was a stupid move and forced Russia to react. It’d be nice to have Ukraine friendly to the West, but its not worth poking the Bear over it.

Besides, the Pro-West bloc is hardly less corrupt than the Pro-Russian clique.

The Donbas region is something more of an issue, as well as them trying to annex Baltic areas that have Russian minorities.

Besides, the West needs to clean its own house desperately and stop with the adventurism.


122 posted on 07/31/2016 2:38:00 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: RedWulf
This is more of Obama’s aggression and the Russians trying to hang onto what they already had

We Americans have been expansionary imperialists since Thomas Jefferson became President. We keep forgetting to look at ourselves with open eyes.

123 posted on 07/31/2016 2:38:10 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Bogie
Giving it to Ukraine was just a Khrushchev political trick.

And as a colleague points out, a violation of an international treaty recognizing national boundaries as those in force prior to this transfer (Ukraine was actually an "independent" country with its own seat in the UN, even if it was also part of the USSR.

124 posted on 07/31/2016 2:40:21 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Bogie
It is Russian, it always has been.

The Turks might have something to say about that.

125 posted on 07/31/2016 2:41:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dsc
I am convinced that the corruption of English is important.

Hear, hear!

126 posted on 07/31/2016 2:42:16 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Alter Kaker

the headline is a lie

Trump as President can not allow or disallow Russia to keep the Crimea

Every body that matters knows that the gambit in Ukraine is to make the West look good when Vlad doesn’t press the issue and invade

meanwhile, Russia keeps Crimea


127 posted on 07/31/2016 2:42:55 PM PDT by Thibodeaux (Exile Barack, Exile the Wookie, Exile Malia, Exile Shasha)
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To: mkjessup

“You’re the only one on this website to have an issue with it.”

No, it’s just that I’m the only one who has been quixotically self-destructive enough to speak up.

“Take all the time you want with your ‘effectiveness analysis’, I got plenty of time.”

I will posit a hypothetical leftard college professor who wants to influence young skulls full of mush.

He shows them your meme, except it reads “Trump-hating heads exploding without warning.” He can make some lame comments about how it is Trump partisans who are the “haters” and how the left are too calm and reasonable to suffer exploding heads. Not much there, really. It could even be that one or two of the class would be spurred into a reckless act of critical thinking by your meme.

If it reads “Trump hating heads exploding without warning,” though, suddenly he’s Stephen Colbert.

“Look what morons we’re dealing with, here. They don’t know even the most basic rules of the English language. This toothless, sister-humping hillbilly doesn’t even know that you’re supposed to hyphenate a compound adjective. Any intelligent, educated person, which pretty much means any liberal and no conservatives, has known about this hard and fast rule since the third grade. This isn’t a typo; it’s an indicator of the general level of intelligence among the conservatards. If they had one brain cell to rub against another they wouldn’t be supporting him in the first place, and this is just one more of thousands of indicators that they are idiots.” (N.B., these remarks are to be attributed to the hypothetical libtard, and not your humble servant.)

Every one of these “trivial” errors—errors which, by the way, can be the difference between admission to graduate school and rejection—opens the door to that sort of rant. The funnier the rant, the more effective it is, and the less effective the original thought.

Some will overlook these errors, certainly, but it is the very people who catch it who might be influenced. However, because they catch it, the credibility of the meme’s creator is undermined, and the thought itself is to some degree discounted.


128 posted on 07/31/2016 2:48:35 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dfwgator

http://www.worldtribune.com/report-7000-turkish-forces-surrounded-incirlik-air-base-overnight/

Today’s big question seems to be: Is Turkey going to allow the Obama administration to keep its nukes?


129 posted on 07/31/2016 2:54:42 PM PDT by Bogie (Just a coincidence?)
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To: dsc
Except that nothing you have typed is even remotely amusing, I would suggest you check out your local open mic comedy night.

Creating hypothetical 'leftard college professors' out of whatever spare neurons you've got to try and validate your cockamamie ideas suggests that as I already said "you need to get a life"

Nobody cares about your neurotic fixation on such grammatical minutiae, it is as meaningful as one random piece of gravel on the shoulder of life's highway.

In conclusion: your 'effectiveness analysis' = FAIL

I hope you get the remedial help you need.
130 posted on 07/31/2016 2:59:20 PM PDT by mkjessup (Want a Third Term for Obama? Vote for Hillary Rotten Criminal so she can dance on America's grave!)
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To: sagar

>The Ukraine gave up on its nukes only because “the West”
promised protection against the Russian commies. Where is that protection? Ukrainians were thrown under the bus by Obama’s timid treacherous policies. Trump is now openly supporting Russia. wtf

Still repeating Neo-Con/Obongo propaganda?


131 posted on 07/31/2016 3:07:17 PM PDT by RedWulf (End Free trade.)
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To: AndyJackson

>We Americans have been expansionary imperialists since Thomas Jefferson became President. We keep forgetting to look at ourselves with open eyes.

That’s pretty normal for empires like ours. For instance Rome pretended that all their wars where defensive in nature pretty late into the empire.


132 posted on 07/31/2016 3:08:37 PM PDT by RedWulf (End Free trade.)
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To: mkjessup

Ah, the old, “Is not!” rebuttal.

“Nobody cares about your”

It’s not about me, except as you try to make it so to escape the real issue.

“In conclusion: your ‘effectiveness analysis’ = FAIL”

Your failure to reach necessary conclusions does not constitute a rebuttal.

“I hope you get the remedial help you need.”

And I hope you start having your stuff proofread, so that it will be more effective in promoting the cause in which we both believe.


133 posted on 07/31/2016 3:08:54 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: AndyJackson

Well now, that seems to further the argument that Hillary Clinton was an incompetent Secretary Of State.


134 posted on 07/31/2016 3:09:32 PM PDT by Bogie (Just a coincidence?)
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To: Pinkbell

It’s all Lies and BS


135 posted on 07/31/2016 3:11:03 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Crimea is already under Russian control...

Even if Trump wanted Russia to give it up, why would he...?


136 posted on 07/31/2016 3:13:17 PM PDT by Popman (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Alter Kaker

LIBBY Press being the stooges of the globalists, socialists, Democratic Party et. al. cabal - just itching for a World War with Russia.


137 posted on 07/31/2016 3:14:16 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Java4Jay

He didn’t fumble a thing CNN you pieces of excrement. Crimea was annexed by Russia in the 18th century made part of the USSR following 1917 and then part of a socialist state. It becomes an autonomous Republic in 1991 and annexed again by the Russians in 2014. History repeating itself. I know one thing, it doesn’t belong to the EU.


138 posted on 07/31/2016 3:21:49 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Alter Kaker

There’s the bait for international bullies again. Here comes World War 3.


139 posted on 07/31/2016 3:21:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: dsc

Let me spell this out for you:

When some grammar nazi like you starts showing their ass, no rebuttal is necessary. Your own skewed behavior proves that indeed, you don’t have a life and you have a desperate need to somehow prove your own self worth. All the polished apples and cleaned chalkboards and erasers from your youth mean nothing now.

You’re the kind of insignificant yoyo that would be in a fox hole with someone under combat conditions, and after they fire their weapon, killing their target, you would mewl away about “your gun looks like it has a bit of smudge or dirt on the barrel”.

If you waste everyone else’s time the way you’ve wasted time in this thread today, I strongly suspect that you have very few friends, and you’re losing the few you have.

Of course you’re in Colorado, the new mecca for pot smokers, and the last refuge of the CruzBots, two more groups who make no meaningful contribution to society.

Like grammar nazis.


140 posted on 07/31/2016 3:29:56 PM PDT by mkjessup (Want a Third Term for Obama? Vote for Hillary Rotten Criminal so she can dance on America's grave!)
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