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F-15E Strike Eagles unable to shoot down the F-35s in 8 dogfights during simulated deployment
The Aviationist ^ | Jun 27 2016 | David Cenciotti

Posted on 06/28/2016 5:54:10 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: jpsb

And Michelle is a size 8


21 posted on 06/28/2016 6:28:31 AM PDT by headless_thompson_gunner
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To: JohnBrowdie

This was an F-15E. The two seat strike-interdiction version of the F-15, optimized for air to ground and intended as the replacement for the F-111 Aardvark.

The air superiority/air supremacy versions of the F-15 are the single seat A and C models. Very different performance characteristics than the E, which is kind of a pig in the air unless all the extra pylons/conformal fuel tanks and sensor pods are stripped off.

So please don’t read too much into articles like this.


22 posted on 06/28/2016 6:48:07 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: MortMan

And to add, assuming a no holds barred simulated dog fight (as opposed to the RedFor aircraft flying simulated enemy tactics) is like to see how the Lightning II stands up against not just single seat F-15s but also F/A-18A/C/Es, F-16Cs, Eurofighter Typhoons, Rafales and Gripens (assuming later mark members of the Su-27 family are unavailable).

That having been said, the real beef I have with the F-35 is that it’s been sold as a fighter rather than a very capable stealthy light strike platform. Which is what it really is.


23 posted on 06/28/2016 6:55:45 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Story has already been posted many times, I think. The true story is that the rules were set to restrict the F-15 and give the F-35 the advantage.

NEVER believe a politically charged story without knowing all the facts.


24 posted on 06/28/2016 6:58:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: jjotto
Israel takes deliver of F-35s starting early next year. Best to wait for leaks from Israel about its actual performance under fire.

Yeah but the Israeli F-35's are already going to be mod-ed for IAF requirements making comparisons a little less straight-forward.

25 posted on 06/28/2016 6:59:35 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I would hope the latest planes would dominate 30 year old plane. If it didn’t what is the point?


26 posted on 06/28/2016 7:02:15 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: sukhoi-30mki
the f-35 haters aren’t going to like this.

I do not think it is a matter of hate. If you look at the 1.05 trillion dollar cost and that 167 have been built, that puts the cost of each one at 8 billion dollars or 1/2 the cost of an aircraft carrier. Even if they build 1000 of them, the cost would be 1.1 billion dollars each.
27 posted on 06/28/2016 7:15:36 AM PDT by microgood
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To: sukhoi-30mki

F15e is not the latest and greatest f15.

The f15se is. Upgraded electronics and some added stealth capability.


28 posted on 06/28/2016 7:21:38 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The truth of the matter is that all new airframes go through these issues. The F-16 was called a Lawn Dart when it was first tested and it’s been a workhorse ever since. The F-22 had oxygen problems until just a couple of years ago, causing hypoxia in its pilots, and now it’s the star of the air war over Syria. The Osprey was also a mess when it was in development. This article indicates the F-15, the AWACS and the C-17 were also heavily criticized during development: http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2010/August%202010/0810failures.aspx


29 posted on 06/28/2016 7:21:41 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A forty-year-old airplane that cost 30 million dollars got beat by a one-year-old airplane the cost $309. Shocking


30 posted on 06/28/2016 7:41:37 AM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: afsnco

In wartime, the debugging of the F35 would be happening in the field. At least there is time to try to get it right without worrying about combat failures. Unfortunately, this also lets everyone milk the budget.


31 posted on 06/28/2016 7:43:20 AM PDT by yawningotter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

F35 costs 150-340 million each with navy version highest

F15k cost 100 million

Circa 2000 model late 1970s F series generation maybe DEFG run 25-40 million each

We’re not defending fortress Europe from the east anymore

I thinking questioning overproducing super high tech is valid

Who do we fight in air air or air defense that can compete against the highest end?

The Chinese .....not yet


32 posted on 06/28/2016 7:45:38 AM PDT by wardaddy (for Muslim wives "no" means anal)
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To: tanknetter
This was an F-15E. The two seat strike-interdiction version of the F-15, optimized for air to ground...

Exactly....

33 posted on 06/28/2016 7:48:11 AM PDT by TankerKC (If Mitt Romney is elected, everyone in the US will die!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

why would you test air-to-air combat capabilities against an F-15 E Strike Eagle?....The “E” is not the fighter version of the F-15 ...the “”E” is the ground attack version of the F-15


34 posted on 06/28/2016 8:11:27 AM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The plane is a joke. This is pure propaganda. It is orders of magnitude slower, less maneuverable, short legged and lightly armed compared to the strike eagle.

Saying you sneaked a low observable strike plane to a target is not the same as beating a strike eagle. Idiotic. typical USAF/contractor propaganda.


35 posted on 06/28/2016 8:18:14 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that the state deportmentthat up....)
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To: jjotto

The Israelis are buying the F-35 in limited quantities with the intent to use it as it should be used: stealthy light strike. You won’t see the Israelis acting like its a fighter

They’re saying they’ll include in the buy some STOVL F-35Bs, which will be used in the dispersed nuclear response/retaliation role.


36 posted on 06/28/2016 8:19:36 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: DCBryan1

Yeah, lets upgrade the mach 2.2 F-15 with the engine from the mach 1.6 F-35.


37 posted on 06/28/2016 8:23:57 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that the state deportmentthat up....)
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To: JohnBrowdie
Yes, I love it!! USMC F-35s have been in Yuma for awhile now and are screaming right along.

I suspect the mission profile of the F-35 was ground attack though and they didn't mix it up where the F-15 excels. The F-15E is a superb dogfighter, in it's multirole mode, but you can't hit what you can't see.

38 posted on 06/28/2016 8:40:31 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Mariner
Which is, of course, the future of air combat.

That is pretty absolute.

39 posted on 06/28/2016 8:45:29 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: tanknetter
That having been said, the real beef I have with the F-35 is that it’s been sold as a fighter rather than a very capable stealthy light strike platform. Which is what it really is.

The best response so far!!

40 posted on 06/28/2016 8:47:37 AM PDT by pfflier
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